Intergeneric Naming
 

I cannot seem to find what the intergeneric hybrid name for a Maxillaria x Zygopetalum. Anyone know what this may be?

Has one of these hybrids been registered yet? Unless there has been one registered, the genus name does not officially exist yet. (another way of saying that I can't find it)

So if you register this type of hybrid then you get to name the resulting genus as well?

Well, the main reason this has never been registered is because a hybrid between these two genera is impossible. They come from two different subtribes, the Maxillariinae and the Zygopetalinae, respectively, which means it is genetically impossible.

Well, I hate to tell you but I have 5 flasks to prove it. Pods took in both directions and on multiple spikes. Always be mindful of absolutes.

Also Zygos are in the tribe of Maxillaria.

Do these flasks have viable seeds growing in them? I am most certainly curious, and I would love to see pics!

I have photos just cant figure out how to get from my tablet to here.

http://www.orchidboard.com/community...128_110923.jpg

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Here is another of smaller plantlets.

http://www.orchidboard.com/community...128_110846.jpg

Yes, but Cattleyas and Masdevallias are both in the tribe Epidendreae, and a cross between them has never happened, whereas Cattleyas and Laelias share the same subtribe, Laeliinae, and Cattleyas and Laelias readily interbreed. Another thing, Oncidiums are in tribe Maxillarieae, subtribe Oncidiinae, and even though they are similar to Zygopetalums, there is no registered hybrids between them.

I thibk that many of the tribe and subtribes need to be changed personally. Jumbo Orchids has registered a great number of otherwise thought impossible crosses in recent history.

So, now that you have seen the plants what would the name be?

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Truth be told I was told by the company that did my flasking that I wouldn't get anything. I said do it anyway, surprisingly of the 6 pods that were given for flasking at that time this odd intergeneric was the only to grow. The others were species crosses.

Not a clue!!! :biggrin:

Jumbo orchids is my insperation, check out this cross. Its a Grammatophylum x Zygopetalum.https://picasaweb.google.com/1022366...33557137593746


https://picasaweb.google.com/1022366...33557137593746

https://picasaweb.google.com/1022366...33557137593746

You might have to be the one to name it! I was searching in OrchidWiz, but couldn't find one. However, just out of interest, I found a man made genus called Miloara which is a cross between Milt. x Pab. x Prom. x Z. It even had a registered hybrid called Miloara Globeg Golden Star. It was registered in 2010 by Milo Bali Orchids. So that shows a Zygopetalum crinitum with Milt. spectabilis crossed in with other things!!! Also saw a named genus combining Cym. and Z. but not much info on that one.
It makes me shudder to think that all the tribes and sub-tribes may need re-thinking too. But science is not always correct the first time, or second, or third..... :)

I have often wondered if Zygopetalum could be used as a bridge to breed otherwise incompatible species together, hence why i made the cross in the first place.

I think some of the odd crosses are created by breeding plants with extra chromozones with each other (4n and 3n)

That's what I call thinking outside the box- or flask.

this is interesting
 

I really like zygos. I may just try a cross between my zygo that is about to reflower ( 2nd time in 2 months ) and a wilsonara and/or oncidia. Flowering is going to coincide. I would be interested in more flowers, different lip colours for zygo and larger flowers/different colours on the wilsonara and oncidia.
Are these crosses theoretically possible ? Maybe they have already been done ?
BTW - I crossed my miltoniopsis with a wilsonara and an oncidium ( and vice-versa ) Seed pods APPEAR to be developing, but its only been about 2 weeks.....

What was your reason for crossing to a maxillara ? The photo ( at least to me ) didn't look like a great success ?

It would have to be a combination of the two genera names, something like Zygolaria or Maxipetalum. Off the top of my head, I don't know whether one or other would have to go first. Any other rules would be under the purvey of the Royal Horticultural Sociey.
The general rule for multigenrics is:
bigeneric= a combination of the two genera involved, i.e. Brassocattleya
trigeneric=either a combination of the three genera involved or a created name composed of a person in the orchid world+"ara", i.e. Brassolaeliocattleya or Aliceara
> than 3 genera=name + ara as above.
(this is all from memory, so there might have been some detail changes)

What do you mean in terms of success? Perhaps you thought the link was a photo of the flower, the link was a different cross by another company. Plants grew in a flask, that in itself is a success, especially when widely believed impossible. Not only that I got 5 replates and easily could have had more if I was made of money.

In terms of what I wished to accomplish, first was to see if it was possible. Second to see if it would flower with fragrance, 3rd what the vegetative growth would look more like, and last if it would be sterile. Time will tell some of them are ready for deflask.

sorry, wasn't clear
 

I meant the photo of the flower.
I don't find the flower that attractive, but I realise beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
I suppose I was making a general comment about the reason/s to do something, rather than a "because I can" reason.
You may have a point about zygo's - I recently purchased a zygonisia cynosure and its a fascinating little plant. The label has "patent pending", so that is something else to consider, together with the "naming" GL !

Well, if you ever get something from a Zygo x Oncid cross I sure wouldn't mind trying to grow a seedling or two! Your info shows you are in PEI Canada but you have an American flag so I'm thinking you are maybe in Canada for a while? I'd be interested on the outcome of your current cross too. I love Zygos, but not a huge fan of some Maxillaria. But I notice that many gorgeous hybrids have unattractive (in my eyes) parents! Good luck with it!

Yes currently in Canada ( actually visiting family in the US) and will be there for 2.5 more years. I will keep you in mind when I move back as I will likely have more plants than I will legally be allowed to return home with without obtaining permits.

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Yeah, I was only using that to illustrate my earlier argument, that Zygos have been bred with plants way outside their tribe. Personally i think its just exciting, kinda like Christmas morning. When you cross a Catt with a Catt you know approximately what you will get. With things like this you never know.

Hello,

I once read somthing wich I don't know if its true as I never tried my self, I pollinated several times my Zygopetalum, but always drops the inmature pods when it gets new stems.

"Zygopetalums are infamous for not accepting any pollen from another (even closely related) orchid; if you tried this, the result will always be another Zygopetalum" it comes from Pollination of Orchid Flowers

I'm curios to see the flowers coming out from your cross.

Regards,

Olivia

I had heard the same, but I rarely trust the words of others. I like to see things for myself. I was extremely excited when the seed took in both directions.

Well, Zygopetalums and Lycastes are from two very different subtribes, but Zygocaste hybrids do exist.


Just sayin'....

It never hurts to experiment, if you can afford to. Some outcomes are good, others not so.

Bill Thoms, "the" bulbo expert, crossed C, velutina and Enc. cordigera. it was so bad, he registed the hybrid as Epicattleya Never Remake This

That is too funny! Unfortunately OrchidWiz shows it but has no photo for me to look at!

Does anyone
 

know the cost of registering a cross ? I bought a bellina x lamellegra cross at a nursery and asked why it wasn't registered. I was told - too expensive.....sooooo next question was well how much -answer $50. To me that seems reasonable since it has to go to RHS...

...and OrchidWiz has this cross as registered under Phal Pantherina and also under Phal Cornu-Cervi ( different
species ) but not under Phal Lamellegra, which doesn't appear to be a recognised species.

It's currently £10.00/US$16.50.