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gixrj18 07-11-2008 05:53 PM

Nomenclature Advice, Please!
 
Okay, here's the situation....I have a cochleatum hybrid that I think is actually "species". The tag reads "Epi. Green Hornet (cochleatum x lancifolium)". But since Epi. cochleatum has been changed to Anacheilum cochleatum, and Epi. lancifolium has also been changed to Anacheilum cochleatum....then is Epi. Green Hornet actually just Anacheilum cochleatum? Did a cultivar get shafted? It looks identical to cochleatum....whatever the genera may be.
I have since crossed it with a Spathoglottis, so I need to know what to call this poor lost plant! Any help would be appreciated!

Ray 07-11-2008 06:19 PM

Apparently so!

gixrj18 07-11-2008 08:44 PM

Confusing, isn't it?

Rosim_in_BR 07-11-2008 10:40 PM

Just my two cents, Jasen;
since cochleata and lancifolia are considered now to be the same, then you'd have cochleata, undoubtedly, if that was the case. But, the International Orchid Register does recognize the hybrid Green Hornet as having Prosthechea cochleata and Encyclia trulla (not lancifolia) as parents. So, your plant would more properly be identified as Proscyclia (Prc.) Green Hornet.
The genus Anacheilium was founded by Johann Centurius von Hoffmannsegg in 1842 to shelter several species that once belonged to Epidendrum, but is not accepted anymore by the Royal Botanic Gardens-Kew in their Checklist of Monocots.

gixrj18 07-11-2008 11:01 PM

Thank you, Mauro, I think I had some people scratchin' their heads:scratchhead: , including myself. Maybe you can grant me a little more of your wisdom, please. Going by what you said, what would now be the name of the genera of a cross between this, and Spathoglottis kimballiana var antiquensis? Thank you, in advance!:bowing
Also, I can't find it in the "grex name search" on the registry website, under any of these names.

gixrj18 07-11-2008 11:17 PM

Nevermind, found it in the registry. Still curious about the cross, though. What do you think, Proscycliaglottis? What about the reverse order?

Ray 07-12-2008 07:46 AM

Don't worry about it. That's the registrar's call, not the registrant.

If the hybrid became so complex that it necessitated one of those something-or-other-ara names (usually 4 or more genera involved), you may be able to recommend it, but technically, only the grex epithet is "controlled" by the registrant.

stitz 07-12-2008 12:00 PM

Ray,

Is there a "link" to the RULES of Nomenclature? I would love to read them in their entirety (not at ONE sitting, though!).

If not a "link", where can these RULES be obtained?

Thanks,

--Stitz--

Ray 07-12-2008 04:52 PM

The closest I have is Orchid Naming, Registering Your Orchid Hybrid, and Inflorescence Structures

cb977 07-12-2008 04:54 PM

Thanks for the info, Ray...I'm always spinning my wheels trying to figure this naming stuff out :dunno:

stitz 07-13-2008 12:50 AM

Thank you, Ray. I'm also looking for the more detailed RULES re: the use of Latin, priority in naming and other rules that taxonomists battle over with each other. I have read some real doozies through the years on other Forums!

--Stitz--

stitz 07-13-2008 01:14 AM

With additional effort, I came across the following resources:
Robert Bedard Horticulture : Orchid Nomenclature
In Bedard's article cited above, he references:
"The Handbook on Orchid Nomenclature and Registration" is perhaps the definitive source for information on this subject. You should be able to obtain it from the American Orchid Society

--Stitz--

orchideric 08-06-2008 01:07 AM

First, lancifolium is a straightforward synonym of cochleatum.

Second, for most of its existence trulla was mistakenly called lancifolium.

Third, the hybrid was made as cochleatum x lancifolium but the lancifolium was actually trulla. That is to say the actual plant used was trulla.

Fourth, both cochleatum and trulla are put in either Anacheilium or Prosthechea by authors but they are absolutely of the same genus and neither one is an Encyclia.

So it is either Anacheilium Green Hornet or Prosthechea Green Hornet but it is a hybrid and not just a crossing of two cochleatums.

Eric


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