Byakko 白虎

[MattWoelfsen]

Originally Posted by jeremiah.chua

Byakko went for $70. That's ridiculously high IMO. Of course, prices on these plants are really up to however much prospectors feel they are worth but uh... wow. I really think all these posts Matt has been making on OB have driven prices up much higher than certain plants are actually worth. It's a little humorous. Great news for Satomi and other Neo vendors, I suppose!



I haven't bothered buying any new Neos in a long from eBay, mainly because some of the plants have been way too overhyped and thus, causes prices to skyrocket on eBay. Anyone else feel this way?



Can't wait to see SE at the POE this weekend. No bidding wars, yay!!! If anyone here plans on attending the POE, hit me up if y'all wanna meet and have nerdy chats.

Jeremiah, I did not even consider I had that kind of power! In my defense, when I see a plant like this Byakko--a new variety with a very pleasing disposition, I ask for folks' opinion. You are fortunate to have such easy access to SE. I would opine that being in the hinterland, and despite the relative proximity to New World Orchids in Manchester, Michigan, this is the only place I can converse with fellow Neofinatics about these lovely plants. So I am grateful to people like you who regular participate in this forum and provide their august opinions.

When this plant exceeded $40 I quickly lost interest as it seemed that--based on this thread--I had surrogates already in my collection. As it where, I consoled myself by winning the Ito-Seikai, a plant that had very interesting features.

[Pilot]

I wasn't going to say anything and probably still should hold my tongue but how on earth could anyone blame Matt for the price increases? Matt doesn't benefit from raising prices considering he is a collector. It's those who actually buy at those silly prices that are causing this issue, not a few posts Matt puts on orchid board. It's an auction site and no one has control over what the price will be except for your participation. I agree that these prices are steep and this is why I don't buy. If I find something I must have and it is commensurate with my budget then so be it. Blaming Matt is shortsighted and rather unfair.


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[jeremiah.chua]

Eh, don't take offense to my post. I wasn't trying to shame anyone for posting anything they see on eBay. Post all you want, I don't really care. It's not like I'm trying hard to bid on eBay anymore anyway. If I see what I like, I'll bid what I believe is a fair price to pay. If someone outbids me, whatever. No biggie, I'll get one in person from Satomi. So don't take it the wrong way with my previous post. Ask questions, learn more, do what you want. The only reason I mentioned Matt is because, well, he's really on top of things with new listings. Other people do it to but the names didn't really come to mind right away and whoever posted these types of threads (including Matt) is irrelevant. His name just came to mind because I see it most of the time. So please don't take it the wrong way, I'm not trying to point you out. You're doing nothing wrong.

What I am pointing out, is the correlation between something that gets drool over here in OB and the prices that skyrocket on eBay.

There's no reason to get so defensive.

[MattWoelfsen]

My desire to keep a good list of "tiger stripe" Neofinetia gets out of whack when Seed Engei makes a heretofore unknown variety available. Not only did this plant go unnoticed by the over bidding eBay crowd, I was the only one to bid on it, and acquired it for what it was listed. Here is my newest tiger stripe: Kankakei 寒霞渓

Photo from Seed Engei.


Kankakei 寒霞渓 by MattWoelfsen, on Flickr

[trdyl]

Originally Posted by MattWoelfsen

My desire to keep a good list of "tiger stripe" Neofinetia gets out of whack when Seed Engei makes a heretofore unknown variety available.

Matt are you just listing white tigers in this thread or any tiger?

[MattWoelfsen]

Hi Ted, at one point it was to discuss white tiger stripes, it seems we started expanding the discussion to include all tiger stripes? So I would say, as long as its a tiger stripe you are discussing, its fine. These variations are fascinating. I cannot wait to see this Kankakei in person, err, in plantson? LOL

[s.kallima]

There should be (At least I know there are different names in Japanese for those) sub-categories in the Tigers, because there is such a striking difference between the spotted tigers (Byakko, Setsuzan, etc), the ones with basal white coloration (Houmeiden, Amanogawa, Kibotan,...) and the ones with diffuse yellow all over the leaves (Kankakei, Kinroukakou, Joumono-Hikari,...)

[MattWoelfsen]

Originally Posted by s.kallima

There should be (At least I know there are different names in Japanese for those) sub-categories in the Tigers, because there is such a striking difference between the spotted tigers (Byakko, Setsuzan, etc), the ones with basal white coloration (Houmeiden, Amanogawa, Kibotan,...) and the ones with diffuse yellow all over the leaves (Kankakei, Kinroukakou, Joumono-Hikari,...)

That would be too easy s.kallima! LOL. There have been a lot of postings and sticky notes trying to organize all of the different characteristics into defined categories. I have read many of these notes to figure out what those definitions are. Your three categories of tiger stripe, or as Seed Engei translates as "Tora", helps me discern such distinctions:

1 Spotted Tigers: Byakko, Setsuzan, etc
2 Basel White: Houmeiden, Amanogawa, Kibotan, etc. Seed Engei refers any of these plants as being "Amanogawa-type"
3 Diffuse All Over The leaves: Kankakei, Kinroukakou, Joumon-Hikari, etc.

Maybe it is because I like to put all things into categories, but your "classification" resonates with my personal desire to break vast amounts of data (Tora) into manageable parts.

[MattWoelfsen]

Since my original assertion was to find tiger stripped plants and put then in some semblance of organization, I decided I would update this thread with pictures of my Neofinetia falcata Amanogawa 天の川 and Setsuzan 雪山.

I have managed to acquire three Amanogawa 天の川. All three of these plants are either in bloom or in spike. These three plants are grown in the same space, same light, same culture as Setsuzan 雪山. As previously discussed, Amanogawa has a different designation as Setsuzan by virtue of how each plant develops tiger variegation. I think I can tell the difference.

Amanogawa 天の川


image by MattWoelfsen, on Flickr

Setsuzan 雪山


Neofinetia falcata Setsuzan 雪山 by MattWoelfsen, on Flickr

Amanogawa plant


Neofinetia falcata Amanogawa 天の川 by MattWoelfsen, on Flickr

Setsuzan plant


Neofinetia falcata Setsuzan 雪山 by MattWoelfsen, on Flickr

From my point of view, the Amanogawa has a greener leaf color than the Setsuzan. The flowers are the same and my larger specimens have the same leaf length. What do you think?

Here are representatives of both plants side by side. Which is which? After looking around this board, I understand that Amanogawa means "Milky Way" and Setsuzan means "Snow On The Mountain."


Setsuzan and Amanogawa by MattWoelfsen, on Flickr

[dries666]

A difference I find quite obvious between the two is that the amonogawa type variegation is whiter and rarely develops to the edge of the leaf and stays more in the center... on top of that they seem to disappear with ageing. The Setsuzan shows yellow/white variegation on random spots on the leaf, also going over the edge of the leaf and not fading as the leaf gets older. Was this what u were looking for?

and by this feature I can easily say: right= amonogawa, left= setsuzan

greetz,
Dries