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Old 11-27-2013, 09:00 PM
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Sentence #2 above does not follow from sentence #1 above.
In fact, implementing sentence #2 would likely cause great harm to wild native orchid populations.
If you were capable of fleshing out your argument...then wouldn't you have already done so?

Let's say ovanoshio picks the most suitable forest in Florida for Sobennikoffia robusta and attaches it to the most suitable location on the most suitable tree. Would this be likely to cause great harm to the wild orchid populations? Nope, because it's doubtful that it would provide any competition. Why? Because its proliferation would depend on the presence of two things...

1. pollinator
2. fungus

Sobennikoffia robusta can't reproduce if it isn't pollinated. And even if it is pollinated what are the chances that the fungus the seeds need to germinate will be present on trees where they land? Perhaps the necessary fungus is only in Madagascar?

We might be able to overcome these obstacles by trying to cross Sobennikoffia robusta with Dendrophylax lindenii. Let's say that the necessary traits are dominant in the hybrid. So this is what ovanoshio attaches to the most suitable tree in Florida.

Now, how fit shall we say this hybrid is? If you want to argue that it's not at all fit...then clearly it wouldn't present a threat to Dendrophylax lindenii. The hybrid would simply be killed by disease, pests, temperatures that were too hot/cold and so on. Nature would surely indicate that the combination of inputs was a fail. But if the hybrid is extremely fit...if the combination of inputs is a wild success...then how would it harm the wild populations of Dendrophylax lindenii?

Let's say that the hybrid brings two positives to the table...sun tolerance and drought tolerance. How would it hurt the population of Dendrophylax lindenii for it to have greater sun/drought tolerance? How would it hurt Dendrophylax lindenii for its population size to quadruple?

Infusing a wild population of monopodial orchids with greater genetic diversity can only increase its fitness. You're not going to decrease a carpenter's fitness by giving him access to better tools.

"Dendrophylax lindenii" is simply the name that we give to a distinct population of epiphytic monopodial orchids in Florida. But it's really just a pool of genetic material...and each individual carries it's own entirely unique set of traits.

And each individual wants to be Abraham...

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That in blessing I will bless thee, and in multiplying I will multiply thy seed as the stars of the heaven, and as the sand which is upon the sea shore; and thy seed shall possess the gate of his enemies; - Genesis 22:17
So each and every "Dendrophylax lindenii" wants to be Abraham. Maybe there's a "Dendrophylax lindenii" named Chris King. Chris King wants to be Abraham.

Does it matter to Chris King who Sarah is? If Sarah will proliferate his genes then would he care if she happens to be a Sobennikoffia or a Sobenniphylax? No, of course not.

Do we want to introduce Chris King to Sarah? Of course. We want to put Chris King's genes in the best possible vehicle. Like, why put Chris King's genes in a horse drawn carriage when you could put them in a bullet train?

The challenge is that we can't simply look at a vehicle in order to determine how good it is. So if we want Chris King's genes to be in the future...it would behoove us to put his pollen in as many vehicles as possible.

Put Chris King's pollen in Sarah, Amanda, Alexis, Carrie, Robyn, Yaraslava...I'm running out of lady names.
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