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Old 01-16-2013, 05:13 PM
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Well, after restarting the computer for the umteenth time and fiddling around with things (never managed to uninstall the program!), the photo uploader started working again. I'll definitely be buying a card reader now.

Anyway, the photos from this morining (with the changed photo styles) are still not much better. On the camera screen there's an improvement, but once on the computer, I don't see much of a difference. I'm not bothering to post any of them here.

I took some more shots this evening, using tips from one of the website links posted here. I took my fluorescent lights, aimed them back at a white sheet, turned on the living romm lights for more warmth and shot away. The artificial light set up helped, and I got some better ones. I took some in RAW too, to see if I can improve them a bit more. Thank you all for your help and ideas!


IMG_1464 by Camille1585, on Flickr

For comparison's sake, here is the washed out one from the initial post: The lesson I learned- the 600D behaves differently from my Powershot A520, I need to learn how to adapt, and learn to work with a different set of limitations!


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No more photo shoots with this orchid, there was a disaster... The orchid was on a stool for the photos, and the guinea pig was out roaming. I didn't see him go under the stool and then he violently head butted it. The orchid toppled off the stool. Result: several broken blooms, newest leaf broke off, and I have the bad feeling that the entire top section of the plant is going to fall off. And it's my favorite Phal
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You say the shots are 'better', I'd say they're pretty damn good. I don't see anything wrong with that shot. In any case you're definitely on the right track. Good job.
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Actually I do agree that the one I posted is good. I think my post was a bit confusing (just changed it), the ones I said were "not much better" are the ones from this morning where I fiddled with white balance and picture styles. I didn't post those. This one is from this evening's lighting experimentation.
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Looks good Camille! At least you got good photos of this one before the guinea pig got to it!
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It's a beautiful shot. You're getting very good at it!. So sorry about the guinea pig accident.
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Try manipulating the "black point" in your photo editing software. Once I started using it, all of my pictures looked so much better.
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That latest photo is good. I had forgotten that I actually tend to use artificial light and had found I didn't always like the natural light results for flowers.

Sorry the plant has broken though, hope it survives!
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With the compact camera natural light is what worked best 99% of the time. But with this camera it looks like I've going to have to improve my artificial light set up. Which isn't bad, because at this time of year natural light shots are limited to just the weekends.

This reminds me that I forgot to post the nice pics on OB.
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For me I much prefer natural light and feel I get more true results. But changing the white balance to whichever lighting you are using should make them all pretty good. My new camera has such accurate auto-white balance that it is the first time I have ever left it on that!
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Basically nice shots already. I second the previous posters comments on exposure and how it affects color, as well as RAW capture, both essential for fine tuning color.

Some additional random thoughts ...

You got quite creative with your lighting, but possibly introduced more problems than you intended. Consider that the camera can only adjust color for one light source, but you use fluorescent most likely at 5500-6500 K, which have squarish peaks, as well as room light with around 2400-3000 K, a black body radiator. The two light sources are not coming from the very same direction, so some areas of the flowers receive more of the 6K light, some more of the 3K light. The consequence is different color renditions in different portions of your image. Black you can block out, but anywhere else it will cause problems.

You do want to shoot with light sources of one and the same color temperature (unless you intentionally want to have freaky color effects) and to be of a black body radiator type (so not fluorescent tubes), then white balance the camera for that light source, then if you still need to make adjustments, do them in RAW conversion.

I have tried to do color temperature measurement with an external meter (Minolta Color Meter III), then set that manually in the camera (can be done in some models). For macroshots, this has resulted in worse color than auto white balance. I was rather surprised by that.

For consistent exposure, consider purchasing a neutral grey card board. Today some also come with a grey scale wedge, so you can use zone system to check and adjust exposure.

If you are picky about color reproduction, you may want to look into proper color management. It starts with custom white balance when you take the shot, to spider calibration of your monitor(s), to using proper profiles for printing. Real World Color Management is quite good. I use a Pantone ColorMunki for profiling everything, from displays to PP projectors. Makes a truck load of difference.

When sharing on-line, however, you don't know what the viewer at the other end is using, so that can lead to pointless discussions on webforums.

If you are concerned about the interplay of brightness and color, then consider looking into Lab color space editing. I like it a lot. See also This Book, which I like. Not sure Lab is supported in Lightroom; I rather use Photoshop. You may also need PS for making illustrations for your thesis and for papers; it's been my main workhorse for quite some time. My first digi-image pub was in 1998.

Re problems with manual focus of some poster, consider using a third-party matt focusing screens (Beatie, Haoda, etc.). Those can be user interchanged on some cameras. I use one on my Canon 5D mkII and MF Zeiss glass. Live view with the option of zooming in (digital version of the old focusing loupes) helps tremendously.

In macro, also be aware of focus shifts when stopping down the lens, so you may want to examine the aerial image with working f-stop. In the viewfinder, it darkens the image significantly, but on an LCD screen, the camera will compensate.
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