The Great Lunar Orchid & The Giant Moon Moth

[Subrosa]

Originally Posted by Moon Moth

He walks past an orchid tree filed with monkeys.

He is naked, and all of the monkeys laugh and chitter.

A monkey, trying to prove his cleverness to his kin, picks up a phone and telephones the Brisbane Police.

He points out their foolishness.

They laugh and chatter.

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I am a cheerful lunatic.

And being a cheerful lunatic, I am often faced with the question.... When meeting somebody new, how to behave?

For me it is difficult, and I make no secret of the fact. I am nuts. I am also a Great Artist. Immodest, but honest ~ in this regard, at least.

I have difficulty meeting new people.

I thought yours mores of politeness consititued some odd traditiosn ~ to report people to the police for their non-harmful and non-illegal actions....

Perhaps because those actions were outside of your experience?

But I guess I ought make an effort to work within the current mores?

Anyway, when in Rome....

Sub Rosa and other exceptionally rude members of this forum, I expect you are attentive to details in your tax records in regard your orchid habit?

Being unexperienced with the orchid trade, I probably wouldn't know what to look for when looking through your internet signatures and previous posts, here and elsewhere (when you have allowed me that opportunity) ~ if I did, it would be naughty of me to put links to those posts in an email sent onto the fraud department of your tax office.

You are probably legal.

But when in Rome....

I'm only returning your politeness.

Like you, I agree that unneccessarilly attentive lawfulness has its role.

Sigh.

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Maybe you are legal, maybe not.

Maybe I am a lunatic in contact with the local police, maybe not.

Either way, I expect you will enjoy them going through your internet history and tax records with a fine tooth-comb.

Perhaps I ought only have offered to help of the one who taught me this ritual?

But I am always over-enthusiastic in my responses ~ Love begets Love, Help begets Help, Tolerance begets Tolerance, and so on with most of the other emotions, and I wanted to tip my hat to the emotions the whole lot of you demonstrated when you had when you were watching somebody attempt to hurt me.

I am not easily hurt.

But I am an Emotional Giver, by nature.

A nurturing type.

That is why I give Love that is much bigger than the Love I receive ~ as a matter of both feeling and policy.

And so on with most of the other emotions.

I feel it is important to be over-abundant in the generosity with which give more I receive.

If people know I am going to be wildly and inappropriately over-abundent in my emotional lovingness, they are usually careful to treat me with ordinary politeness.

The social mores you have shown me are unusual (in my experience), but I understand that it is my duty as a civilized being to respect others traditions and treat them according to their own demonstrated mors.

Thus I have 'reciprocate in kind' ~ a situation I would have prefered to have avoided, and certainly not a situation I had expected from education people.

But perfaps not everybody here is educated? Either way, I respect your different culture, but I hope your fellows will be kinder to me.

I prefer gentleness.

I want to get on with my work and my obsessive botanical love ~ the rest is a distraction.

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Now you can respond by saying “Growl ~ how dare you! I'm going to bite again.”

And that is how a dog would respond ~ until it gets a hard enough smack to tangibly harm its livelihood.

Which is the cost of a ticket on that particular ride.

Then its behaviour improves.

The local nazis tried a similar introduction ritual with me ~ though communication with them was not solicited.

Now leave me alone.

You can do your research into that story.

I expect it has already become an internet legend.

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This is not really a forum about attacking strangers, yet as thus you have used it ~ I must address the practice with a verbal response.

Personal space is important, and every natural animal behaves very carefully in any matter that might have a dimension of another's personal space ~ the expectation being that you only have yourself to blame if you are bitten as a natural response to an inappropriate violation of personal space.

The natural response of the imposing animal is to stop and stand back and respect the other animal ~ and the new awareness of personal space occurs.

This is the way these things are done in the animal world.

It is sad that I must elucidate that ritual with intelligent people.


There are intelligent people here, aren't there?

To respond otherwise would probably not be rewarded by Mother Nature.

Humans who don't understand the basic social fundament of personal space certainly don't need me to help them make an abundance of enemies.

They are usually impusive sorts, who act before fully evaluating a situation. Not a modern trait ~ evolution seems to be encouraging thoughtfulness, as evidenced by the advent of technology.

Like The World Wide Web.

I am only ever interesting in biting to avoid being bitten, which means I never bite first.

I hope my behaviour in not frightening ~ I have offered you only a reflection of your own behaviour.

And I think that it is what you asked for when you gave me that behaviour.

You merely need to understand that it is not appropriate to mis-treat any human, particularly those who are question marks and beyond your understanding.

Sometimes I become very sad, I feel that Loving the world is important, and Loving me is important ~ so I have to be firm and willful in helping the world understand that I prefer reciprocal Love.

I laugh with you when you joke ~ your opinions are your own, and essentially meaningless to anybody except yourself.

And I understand that I am a lunatic.

But if you would reach forward with intention to hurt me, then you reach into my personal space.

And I will return the loving favour in exactly like coin.

This is not because I hate or feel any emotions toward you ~ I haven't yet developed any emotions to any member of this site (except Ferd the Flying Freak ~ I LOVE YOUR WINGS, YOU ARE GREAT!)

And I also feel a beginnings of respect toward some of the folk who made intelligent criticism of my Latin ~ they are probably people I would like to know.

I am not trying to hurt anybody, but the psychological state of a person who would make such actions so impulsively suggests that I must accept your social mores as serious and respond in accord with the scale and vista you have requested.

To do otherwise would probably invite worse behaviour.

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When you meet a new person, you meet an unknown quantity.

If the person is beyond your experience, a wise human will be more polite, rather than less polite.

A fearful human, however, may respond differently.

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Thank you for your feedback and your interesting welcome to this lovely website.

I would like to know you all.

I am lunatic, but a beautiful lunatic.

And I hope I can share the experience of my beauty with you ~ in our shared love of orchids.

For your rude behaviour has much less relevance to orchids than my own Great Lunar Orchid.

Thank You,
Glenorchy McBride

How many orchids do you have in your collection?

[Moon Moth]

I hope my previous post concludes any introductory bumps you were experiencing.

I would prefer that you could be polite.

So let us move onto the wonderful feedback you have given on my book.

Thank you for your feedback on my writing.

I noticed that not one of you has any specific comment on the artistic components of my work ~ a factor which I find most encouraging.

Your expressed motivations suggest that you would have made valid literary criticism on any artistic or scientific components, if you could.

I suggest that is among the biggest compliments you could have given me ~ when even those who are yelling abuse at me can't find a tangible criticism on my Art.

They can do no more than crying woefully that I am not normal enough.

Amazing.

I am quite shocked.

That is among the best type of feedback that any Artist has ever been able to receive!

We know your criticism is real, because you hate me.

And yet you can't find any component of my Art to criticise.

Then you genuinely think my Art is Great!

I'm going to open a bottle of champagne!

Wow.

But actually, I have never doubted myself for an instant.

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Thank You for your feedback ~ I will take care to address it.

In summary ~

a) You have addressed matters of typos, scattered through the work. In response, I agree that my behaviour has been woeful in that regard, and I am naughty. I will also respond by replacing the file on my website with a neat version of the first seven chapters. You are quite justified when you say that you would like the writer to edit properly, if you are going to put in the effort to read it.

But actually, I will be publishing drafts for feedback in future ~ and I cannot always promise that they will be in perfectly neat form.

Time ~ I am so busy and producing vast volumes.

An obsessive lunatic.

Editing seventy pages for the tenth time is not a quick task, for in that same time I can write another twenty pages.

I hope you will forgive me for the occassional typo ~ and in return I will try to be more careful and neat before showing you my work.

b) You have made comment on my Latin. Ha! My Latin is atrocious ~ wait until you see some of the crazy Latin constructions I have strung together through Liber Sub Rosa Noctura (I am not even completely sure that I got the declensions calibrated in the title) ~ fun from the first page, onwards. But not to worry, a professional editor will fix up these details or perhaps I will find time to work on my Latin before publication.

Many of you made highly worthwhile comments in regard to my Latin, and I will address them after I have finished giving you all a spanking (actually, I think I have finished that part of the intro ritual)?

c) You have suggested that I am afflicted with an extremely and excessively energized opinion of myself (“delusions of grandeur” was a comment made). Again, I confess to being guilty on that score ~ but so is every other great artist. And I am very encouraged that you read my work.

d) You have suggested that I am nuts and possibly dangerous to have written these works. Yes, your statements of the obvious are tiresome. Of course, I am probably dangerous ~ but I merely submit myself to the lunatic ward of the local hospital whenever I feel myself going too dangerously deep into moon madness. Besides, you are in different countries to me, and so you are safe. And it is unedifying that you have allowed your fear to get the better of you in this small and petty way.

Nevertheless, if spankings were in order, I expect Mother Nature has already have performed them.

Thus, I would prefer if you could avoid becoming emotional when offering criticism.

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Thank You,
River Valley

[Subrosa]

Originally Posted by Moon Moth

I hope my previous post concludes any introductory bumps you were experiencing.

I would prefer that you could be polite.

So let us move onto the wonderful feedback you have given on my book.

Thank you for your feedback on my writing.

I noticed that not one of you has any specific comment on the artistic components of my work ~ a factor which I find most encouraging.

Your expressed motivations suggest that you would have made valid literary criticism on any artistic or scientific components, if you could.

I suggest that is among the biggest compliments you could have given me ~ when even those who are yelling abuse at me can't find a tangible criticism on my Art.

They can do no more than crying woefully that I am not normal enough.

Amazing.

I am quite shocked.

That is among the best type of feedback that any Artist has ever been able to receive!

We know your criticism is real, because you hate me.

And yet you can't find any component of my Art to criticise.

Then you genuinely think my Art is Great!

I'm going to open a bottle of champagne!

Wow.

But actually, I have never doubted myself for an instant.

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Thank You for your feedback ~ I will take care to address it.

In summary ~

a) You have addressed matters of typos, scattered through the work. In response, I agree that my behaviour has been woeful in that regard, and I am naughty. I will also respond by replacing the file on my website with a neat version of the first seven chapters. You are quite justified when you say that you would like the writer to edit properly, if you are going to put in the effort to read it.

But actually, I will be publishing drafts for feedback in future ~ and I cannot always promise that they will be in perfectly neat form.

Time ~ I am so busy and producing vast volumes.

An obsessive lunatic.

Editing seventy pages for the tenth time is not a quick task, for in that same time I can write another twenty pages.

I hope you will forgive me for the occassional typo ~ and in return I will try to be more careful and neat before showing you my work.

b) You have made comment on my Latin. Ha! My Latin is atrocious ~ wait until you see some of the crazy Latin constructions I have strung together through Liber Sub Rosa Noctura (I am not even completely sure that I got the declensions calibrated in the title) ~ fun from the first page, onwards. But not to worry, a professional editor will fix up these details or perhaps I will find time to work on my Latin before publication.

Many of you made highly worthwhile comments in regard to my Latin, and I will address them after I have finished giving you all a spanking (actually, I think I have finished that part of the intro ritual)?

c) You have suggested that I am afflicted with an extremely and excessively energized opinion of myself (“delusions of grandeur” was a comment made). Again, I confess to being guilty on that score ~ but so is every other great artist. And I am very encouraged that you read my work.

d) You have suggested that I am nuts and possibly dangerous to have written these works. Yes, your statements of the obvious are tiresome. Of course, I am probably dangerous ~ but I merely submit myself to the lunatic ward of the local hospital whenever I feel myself going too dangerously deep into moon madness. Besides, you are in different countries to me, and so you are safe. And it is unedifying that you have allowed your fear to get the better of you in this small and petty way.

Nevertheless, if spankings were in order, I expect Mother Nature has already have performed them.

Thus, I would prefer if you could avoid becoming emotional when offering criticism.

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Thank You,
River Valley

How many orchids do you have in your collection?

[Moon Moth]

And now let this introduction ritual be concluded with a happy overview.

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A fantastically strange botanist writes a fantastically strange botanical story featuring an orchid at its centre....

What would be a fun way for orchid-addicts to respond to the fact that he chose to show it to them?

They could complain that it is a story about an imaginary magickal orchid ~ cause what's the point of an imaginary orchid?

Of any stories for that matter?

Would orchid lovers feel differently if a great story on fantastic orchids had been written ~ and they were ignored, cut out?

There is an old saying involving the term “pearl before swine” ~ how would you like history to see your relationship to this axiom?

I suggest you have find pleasure in my books by reading them as works of Art and Thought.

Your initial natural reactions of criticism have already declared what you will find when you allow yourself to read my books for fun ~ now it is for you to come to terms with this reality.

Some of you will be fast in vision, thought, and understanding.

Others will be slowed by resentment and other of the unworthy emotions that typify small people.

But ultimately, even those who hate me for their own blind impractical and unstrategic reasons cannot deny that I am thinking important thoughts that have never been thought before ~ and articulating these new dreams and wonders as Art.

What I have written is unlike anything the world has ever before seen.

I have invented The Ecological Art of Animal Summoning, and created The Ecological Glyph of The Animals to make it work ~ and the world will never again be the same.

This is the real meaning of the book I have published, entitled “The Seed of GAIA” ~ available at my website.

(Which URL I am not permitted to post, but others members are?)

As you are reading these words, lecturers and researchers in zoology labs around the planet are reading physical copies this book, carried to them by magick snails.

And they are considering the research angles they could use to benefit from these new arrangements of thought that I have woven.

If Animal Summoning is a technologically valid Art and Science.... What will your monkey-chatter words of today mean.... Tomorrow?

We are passed the point of laughing at the lunatic ~ the world has long entered the point where we begin to worry over the fact that the lunatic is speaking profound and terrifying and wonderful Truth.

This is not “something that is going to happen in future” ~ this is something that has long begun.

These lovely words I write are wonderfull for chattering monkeys to quote and gibber and wobble over the immodest naughtiness of my self-assurance....

But the poison in these words is that they are True.

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You are secretly applauding me and you know it ~ I can smell it on your souls!

O, I think you are all Beautiful!

So?

Dump the nonsense, smile, and offer me the hand of welcome!

We have work to do, and I am far too much of a lunatic to manage the whole muggle world.

I will overlook your earlier introductory rudeness of nonsense. I think that those emotional oodles of shock and revulsion and confusion that lace through your responses are not necessarily something for you to be ashamed of. Great Art always provokes a powerful emotional response.

I would have been more worried if your response had been lukewarm.

But let us celebrate ~ because this thread is hot with purple lunar orchid fire.

Shocking. Terrifying. Beyond Your Experience. And Fantastically Beautiful!

A chaos of emotional confusion and fear.

But no flawed artistic components identified!

My Art burns with Creative Fire ~ and I revel in the of emotional chaos of your scream at the heat of its touch!

You are BEAUTIFUL!

I LOVE You!

Now that is an ad hominen emotion!

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Sincerely,
River Valley of BRIDGET

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Wow, that was a very attention demanding introduction?

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Sub Rosa, I see you have made a reply ~ thank you for your politeness.

In answer to your question ~ probably not as many as you. I have never grown from culture. I am an amateur whose real interest in orchids involves their ecology ~ and (of course) their delicate secret beauty.

Perhaps I will post some fun pictures when I have slept a little to recover from the rigors of welcoming rituals.

There are some really quite marvellous Australian orchids....

[Subrosa]

Originally Posted by Moon Moth

And now let this introduction ritual be concluded with a happy overview.

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A fantastically strange botanist writes a fantastically strange botanical story featuring an orchid at its centre....

What would be a fun way for orchid-addicts to respond to the fact that he chose to show it to them?

They could complain that it is a story about an imaginary magickal orchid ~ cause what's the point of an imaginary orchid?

Of any stories for that matter?

Would orchid lovers feel differently if a great story on fantastic orchids had been written ~ and they were ignored, cut out?

There is an old saying involving the term “pearl before swine” ~ how would you like history to see your relationship to this axiom?

I suggest you have find pleasure in my books by reading them as works of Art and Thought.

Your initial natural reactions of criticism have already declared what you will find when you allow yourself to read my books for fun ~ now it is for you to come to terms with this reality.

Some of you will be fast in vision, thought, and understanding.

Others will be slowed by resentment and other of the unworthy emotions that typify small people.

But ultimately, even those who hate me for their own blind impractical and unstrategic reasons cannot deny that I am thinking important thoughts that have never been thought before ~ and articulating these new dreams and wonders as Art.

What I have written is unlike anything the world has ever before seen.

I have invented The Ecological Art of Animal Summoning, and created The Ecological Glyph of The Animals to make it work ~ and the world will never again be the same.

This is the real meaning of the book I have published, entitled “The Seed of GAIA” ~ available at my website.

(Which URL I am not permitted to post, but others members are?)

As you are reading these words, lecturers and researchers in zoology labs around the planet are reading physical copies this book, carried to them by magick snails.

And they are considering the research angles they could use to benefit from these new arrangements of thought that I have woven.

If Animal Summoning is a technologically valid Art and Science.... What will your monkey-chatter words of today mean.... Tomorrow?

We are passed the point of laughing at the lunatic ~ the world has long entered the point where we begin to worry over the fact that the lunatic is speaking profound and terrifying and wonderful Truth.

This is not “something that is going to happen in future” ~ this is something that has long begun.

These lovely words I write are wonderfull for chattering monkeys to quote and gibber and wobble over the immodest naughtiness of my self-assurance....

But the poison in these words is that they are True.

?

You are secretly applauding me and you know it ~ I can smell it on your souls!

O, I think you are all Beautiful!

So?

Dump the nonsense, smile, and offer me the hand of welcome!

We have work to do, and I am far too much of a lunatic to manage the whole muggle world.

I will overlook your earlier introductory rudeness of nonsense. I think that those emotional oodles of shock and revulsion and confusion that lace through your responses are not necessarily something for you to be ashamed of. Great Art always provokes a powerful emotional response.

I would have been more worried if your response had been lukewarm.

But let us celebrate ~ because this thread is hot with purple lunar orchid fire.

Shocking. Terrifying. Beyond Your Experience. And Fantastically Beautiful!

A chaos of emotional confusion and fear.

But no flawed artistic components identified!

My Art burns with The Creative Fire ~ and who have screamed at the heat when you touched it!

You are BEAUTIFUL!

I LOVE You!

Now that is an ad hominen emotion!

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Sincerely,
River Valley of BRIDGET

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Wow, that was a very attention demanding introduction?

One last critique of your Latin; are you familiar with the Latin term "non sequitur"? So, how many orchids do you have in your collection?

[Fernando]

Well, this is annoying.
I had written a lengthy an extremely wonderful reply to Glenorchis first long text, and when I was about to send it, I was no longer logged in.

As I am not going to repeat it - english is not my first language, so I need a lot of time and looking up some words, but - hey! - I'm still learning, I will just say the quintessence (this is better, anyway).

Thankyou for the word 'mores' in relation to the virtual place we call 'forum'!
Indeed, besides rules and those who want them to be implemented in a rude manner, there is a strange 'mores' arising all over internet.
And it is neither nice nor polite.
Guess it is because we don't see the eyes of those reading and writing.

edit: you don't need to have orchids in your backyard to be enabled to write here. Most forumers posting about local orchids neither own them nor grow them.

[Subrosa]

Originally Posted by Fernando

Well, this is annoying.
I had written a lengthy an extremely wonderful reply to Glenorchis first long text, and when I was about to send it, I was no longer logged in.

As I am not going to repeat it - english is not my first language, so I need a lot of time and looking up some words, but - hey! - I'm still learning, I will just say the quintessence (this is better, anyway).

Thankyou for the word 'mores' in relation to the virtual place we call 'forum'!
Indeed, besides rules and those who want them to be implemented in a rude manner, there is a strange 'mores' arising all over internet.
And it is neither nice nor polite.
Guess it is because we don't see the eyes of those reading and writing.

edit: you don't need to have orchids in your backyard to be enabled to write here. Most forumers posting about local orchids neither own them nor grow them.

There are those who value the justice of honesty over the mercy of politeness Fernando. Insulting our mores belies your own claims of tolerance.

[Fernando]

What is the justice of honesty? I understand every word, but not your intended meaning.

Nor 'mercy of politeness' ... a 'mercy' is a gift, a condescending act. And politeness is a decision one makes, independently of truth.

Must be an aphorism I don't know.

Insulting our mores ...
First, I did not insult.
Second: ¿our? there is no our. As I understand the word mores, and as I understood the long text before (may be poorly, I don't know) 'mores' did not refer to the forum rules (THIS forum rules) but to the non-written ways of behaving in a (not necessarily THIS) forum.

And last: you know the word tolerance. But you don't know me: I NEVER would use this word, nor would I ever claim for such thing.
Because 'tolerance' IS a mercy, the most condescending and patronizing there is. As a gay man I have 'come in touch' with nearly all forms of 'tolerance' there are. 'Tolerance' is the opposite of acceptance. Tolerance is the absence of civil rights.
Thus I don't accept your accusation that I claim for tolerance.

So, I don't know what you understand by 'mores', or what your 'mores' are;
I liked the text and the use of the (seldom seen) word mores in regard of internet-related way of communicating. Like those two highly condensed sentences you just wrote. Would you say them in a conversation?

[Subrosa]

Originally Posted by Fernando

What is the justice of honesty? I understand every word, but not you intended meaning.

Nor 'mercy of politeness' ... a 'mercy' is a gift, a condescending act. And politeness is a decision one makes, independently of truth.

Insulting our mores ...
First, I did not insult.
Second: ¿our? there is no our. As I understand the word mores, and as I understood the long text before (may be poorly, I don't know) 'mores' did not refer to the forum rules (THIS forum rules) but to the non-written ways of behaving in a (not necessarily THIS) forum.

And last: you know the word tolerance. But you don't know me: I NEVER would use this word, nor would I ever claim for such thing.
Because 'tolerance' IS a mercy, the most condescending and patronizing there is. As a gay man I have 'come in touch' with nearly all forms of 'tolerance' there are. 'Tolerance' is the opposite of acceptance.
So, I don't accept your accusation that I claim for tolerance.

Persecution is the opposite of acceptance. Tolerance is a compromise which allows people who don't agree to coexist peacefully. I understand than English is your second language, but since we're critiquing literature along with mores, you should consider that English was also Joseph Conrad's second language.........

[Fernando]

Nope.
Tolerance goes from top to bottom (no pun intended).
Tolerance converts refugees to illegal immigrants.
You can be tolerant with your neighbour’s loud music when you know it's a birthday party. That's all.


I'd never dare to compare my poor writing with Conrad's.