Need ID... - Orchid Board

caoquendo · #1 12-11-2010, 01:40 PM

I have this one for about a year and is the first time it blooms. Just need ID to tag it. Thanks. =)

ronaldhanko · #2 12-11-2010, 03:07 PM

It's a hybrid in the Cattleya alliance - ID is impossible with such hybrids if the tags are lost.

trdyl · #3 12-12-2010, 04:44 AM

Ron, hybrid or Cattleya lueddemanniana?

ronaldhanko · #4 12-12-2010, 05:29 AM

It is possible that it's C. lueddemaniana, but that's just to say again how difficult it is to ID a plant without a proper tag. I'd want to know first where it came from, etc.

caoquendo · #5 12-14-2010, 09:23 AM

I've Googled C. Lueddemaniana and found some photos that looks almost identical to mine, so I guess it is. THANKS A LOT..! You're the best! :-)

goodgollymissmolly · #6 12-14-2010, 09:56 AM

Caoq, looking at a picture and identifying a plant are two entirely different things. First, if it's a hybrid there is no way to ID it. Many hybrids look so similar to a parent that that it's impossible to know whether it's a hybrid or species without test selfings and evaluation of the offspring.

If you were certain it is a species, then a trained taxonomist would need to ID it if possible. Just because it looks like a picture you see is meaningless. This is precisely how plants get mislabeled.

kavanaru · #7 12-14-2010, 11:09 AM

hhhuuuiiiss... indeed it looks somehow like lueddemaniana, however there is something wrong with those petals (e.g. the central light marking in the middle is not very typical lueddemaniana!)

I agree with Ron, that it is a NOID...

as Goodgollymissmolly said if you are 100% it is a species, a trained taxonomist should identify it. I say a trained, meaning someone who knows Cattleya very well and knows lueddemaniana... there are many "hybrids" around who has been labelled as lueddemaniana and even have won AOS prices as such!

There is character used to correctly ID a lueddemaniana and is two horns that should be in the column near the pollinia (but I must admit I do not very well where to find them or what they look like!), these are apparently only to be found in lueddemaniana and do not appear in the hybrids!

ronaldhanko · #8 12-14-2010, 11:44 AM

Thank you, Molly and Ramon. You said it all much better than I did, but you are exactly right.

kavanaru · #9 12-14-2010, 02:11 PM

I have received this link, where you can read the reference to the "horns" and see them in a photo... Funnily, there is a photo of a C. lueddemmaniana there that has exactly those light centrallines in the petals, which I had never seen before in this spcies and which I mentionned in my first comment too...

https://lab.troymeyers.com/flasking/....php?id=MC1522

caoquendo · #10 12-14-2010, 06:34 PM

Ok... this is the one that I've found and that I've said above looks exactly as mine...
Cattleya lueddemanniana... | Flickr - Photo Sharing!
It says: Cattleya Lueddemanniana 'Buddy x var alba'

BTW... I'm not in the mood of a taxonomist cause I'm not "that" advanced. LOL. I'm just a simple guy with some orchids that I want to ID if is possible.
Just to start my collection "the right way".
=)