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Old 12-01-2009, 03:34 PM
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MY PHAL ORCHID HAS BEEN GOOD UNTIL NOW!! ALL OF THE BUDS HAVE BLOOMED EXCEPT FOR ONE. IT HAD FOUR HEALTHY LEAVES UNTIL NOW! ONE OF THEM ON ONE SIDE THE BOTTOM ONE .. FIRST HAD A BLACK SPOT THEN TURNED BROWN , THEN THE LEAF IS TURINING YELLOW, AND SLIGHTLY SHRIVELED AT THE END? I DONT KNOW WHY ITS DOING THIS??
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Old 12-01-2009, 03:53 PM
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Not enough info.

What's your cultural regimen?

Lighting?
Light intensity (lux, lumen, footcandles, shade, bright shade, moderate, bright-indirect, full sun)?
Pot culture - (type of pot, potting media), mounted culture - (type of mount, type of dressing), s/h - (brand of s/h media, special set-up)?
Temperature?
Humidity?
Fertilizer - urea or urea free, N-P-K ratio, brand?
Fertilizing regimen?
Growing area?
Type of water you're using - (RO/DI, distilled, rain water, tap - if tap, do you know the dissolved mineral concentration)?
Watering regimen?
Where're you located?
Duration under your care?
Type of Phal - name or NOID?
How're the roots?
etc., etc., etc....

Pics?

I have my suspicions as to what may have caused this, but I want to nail it cold before I say anything.

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Old 12-01-2009, 04:53 PM
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calm down it's OK! No need to CAPS YOURSELF ALL OVER THE FLOOR. Phal. leaves do that from time to time. Especially if they get attacked by a black spot. Just check that your culture and conditions are OK, because it could also be a sign of stress.. ie: not enough water, rotted roots, etc.
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Old 12-02-2009, 01:35 AM
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calm down it's OK! No need to CAPS YOURSELF ALL OVER THE FLOOR. Phal. leaves do that from time to time. Especially if they get attacked by a black spot. Just check that your culture and conditions are OK, because it could also be a sign of stress.. ie: not enough water, rotted roots, etc.


lol no my comp was not working and was left on caps lock...haha...
Yes it was a blask spot ?But what is a black spot? I think the sprag moss was wet for too long... for some reason it takes a long time for it to dry up!!
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Old 12-02-2009, 01:45 AM
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Not enough info.

What's your cultural regimen?

Lighting? south window
Light intensity (lux, lumen, footcandles, shade, bright shade, moderate, bright-indirect, full sun)? reg reading lamps
Pot culture - (type of pot, potting media), plastic with sprag moss
mounted culture - (type of mount, type of dressing), I would like to mount but its flowering s/h - (brand of s/h media, special set-up)?
Temperature? day 76-77 night 60s
Humidity? just some water in the pot holder at the bottom and gets in the br mist in the morning
Fertilizer - urea or urea free, N-P-K ratio, brand? urea free, 20-14-13
Fertilizing regimen? weakly weekly
Growing area? inside
Type of water you're using - (RO/DI, distilled, rain water, tap - if tap, do you know the dissolved mineral concentration)? tap
Watering regimen?weakly with misting
Where're you located? delaware just moved here so not sure if the weather conditions are sutible
Duration under your care? since nov 10
Type of Phal - name or NOID? noid
How're the roots? some of the roots on the top rotted .. squishy and rest are ok.. it had 12 buds 7 bloomed , one waiting and 4 shriveled off
etc., etc., etc....

Pics? tomm cant find camera right now?

I have my suspicions as to what may have caused this, but I want to nail it cold before I say anything.
does this help out?
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Old 12-02-2009, 02:33 AM
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Tremendously.

I suspect the roots are not just rotting on the top of the moss. I'd check the roots in the pot as well.

If the pot is sitting in water, that's not a good practice either. It has a very high potential of causing root rot.

Growing in full on sphagnum moss may not work out for your growing conditions. Full on sphagnum moss has a tendency to compact.

However...

I suspect that you didn't change out the potting medium yet. So I'm willing to bet that it was in the same pot with the same moss that you bought the Phal from.

If this is the case, then I suggest you change out the potting medium immediately. I used to work for Norman's Orchids (aka orchids.com). They are a major US distributor of Phalaenopsis orchids from Taiwan. The bread and butter crop are Phals. I'm betting they were the ones who supplied the store you bought the plant from (they supply to places like The Home Depot, and small nurseries like Hausermann's). The moss tends to be very tightly packed.

Unless the humidity of the bathroom is very low, there is usually no need to mist the plant. Even then, misting can cause problems in pot culture.

Chances are the misting is causing more problems than good. Here's why...

Phals naturally grow on trees with little or no moss mostly oriented in a horizontal position, and occasionally pendulously. Water has a small chance of dribbling into the crown and getting trapped. Plus, it's out in the big blue wild, winds or breezes will take care of any moisture that lands on the leaves.

But...

In pot culture, many of the plants for sale are positioned unnaturally in a vertical position. In this scenario, if you mist, water has a very high chance of dribbling into the crown when watering or misting. This can cause crown rot. People usually add an extra step in the care regimen by using a piece of paper towel or toilet paper and dabbing the recesses of the crown to sop up any water that got in there during watering.

How do Phals get their humidity, you ask.

Well, other than the fact that they're from the tropical forests of Asia, I'll be a bit more specific.

The sources of humidity are from:

1. The ocean.
2. Where they grow. Some grow on trees that are found in tropical swamp forests. Others grow on trees found near streams or rivers (sometimes those rivers are very large).
3. After it rains.

Just so you know...

Phals in pot culture that are grown upright will tend to lean towards the direction of the light source naturally.

Then there's the issue with the bathroom humidity. I take it you don't have a humidity meter. Chances are the humidity after you take a shower is usually very high (80% - 100%). But I'm willing to bet that when you're not taking a shower, the humidity in your bathroom is probably about 50% - 60% because of all the water that's there (sink, toilet bowl, shower/bathtub). Believe it or not 60% -80% is usually good enough, especially for a Phal hybrid.

Quite the contrary, I don't think this was a natural dropping of an old leaf (which does actually occur). I believe it's a sign of suffocation due to insufficient air getting to the roots and "over watering".

As far as lighting/light intensity is concerned...

I don't go by window directions. That's a relative thing. Since you're in Delaware, south window may mean that the lighting is not that strong because you're further away from the equator, I don't know...

Shade, bright shade, moderate, bright indirect, or full sun may be somewhat relative too, but these terms are better understood without having to bust out a light meter (it's a bit clearer and not quite as abstract as north, south, east, west windows).

A picture of the plant can help determine the degree of distress this plant is under.

BTW, I think the black ring is a fungal infection it acquired due to the stress of what I mentioned above. High stress = low disease immunity (same as people. ).

So that you have a point of reference. I've posted a link to a website that shows you where and how a Phalaenopsis grows in nature. Just scroll down and read the captions.

Hopefully this can stir up some ideas.

http://www.ibanorum.netfirms.com/gaharu.htm

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I know this message was long, but there was a lot to cover. And this really wasn't everything.

I can also recommend a book to you.

Steven A. Frowine's Phalaenopsis book "Moth Orchids: The Complete Guide to Phalaenopsis".
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Old 12-02-2009, 11:49 AM
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I know this message was long, but there was a lot to cover. And this really wasn't everything.

I can also recommend a book to you.

Steven A. Frowine's Phalaenopsis book "Moth Orchids: The Complete Guide to Phalaenopsis".

Yes very helpful information! I dont keep them in the bathroom all the time. I just put them there in the morning for a short time. Then I take them out and put them in my living room again. I wanted to repot the phal orchid but was advised not to bc it was in bloom. But the roots were great when I purchased it. I def think that the misting is causing the roots to rot on the top because I was very careful and made sure that I cleaned the water out of the crown , with a tooth pick and cotton. When I get a chance to go to the pet store I will buy a type of wood and mount them on there , I think thats my best bet! Thanks for all your help I really apreciate it alot! (the pot was not sitting in water. What I meant was inside the plastic container where the roots are there is styrofoam peices, then I put that pot inside a clay pot for stability and then that pot sits on pebbles with a little water .)

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Aries, if you decide to mount just remember you will be looking at daily watering. I don't know how much time you have to play with your orchids on a daily basis. Just something to consider.
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Old 12-03-2009, 02:51 AM
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Aries, if you decide to mount just remember you will be looking at daily watering. I don't know how much time you have to play with your orchids on a daily basis. Just something to consider.

Thank you very much for this info , I do have a fair amount of time. I will add some sprag moss just for some added moisture . I dont think the conditions in my house are good for potted ones. I ll take pictures ad see how it goes!
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