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Old 11-02-2007, 11:52 PM
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Hi Nguyen...I was looking at this thread and I was wondering if you got the info you were looking for. I noticed that you didn't post a reply. I have been using mostly 48" T8 4 tube fixtures using 2 cool white tubes and 2 warm white tubes. Under these lights, I have had Catts, Dens, Cymbidiums and others bloom. I have not used the special horticulteral tubes because of the cost. I also think you will have an easier time finding 48" tubes vers 24". The numbering, T8 and T5 refer to the tube diameter in 1/8" increments. A T8 is 1" in diameter and a T5 is 5/8" Diameter. The older stuff is T12s which are being phased out over the next several years in favor of the T8 and T5s. I would invest in the T5s because of the higher light output but if cost is a factor, I would use T8. The price of the T5s will come down over the next couple of years when production catches up with demand. I have three Sun System T5 four tube fixtures and they are very nice. They do put out a lot of light. I haven't used them on flasks or seedlings yet but I would be careful not to get the lights too close or they may cook the plants. T8 tubes put out 32 watts vers T5 at 54. Sorry to be so long winded. I hope this helps.
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Old 11-02-2007, 11:59 PM
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Are you sure the 4 foot tubes put out 32 watts? My 4 foot tube are rated at 40 watts.
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Old 11-03-2007, 11:56 AM
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I won't claim to be an expert on artificial light, but the real issue is a combination of the spectrum put out and the intensity, or number of lumens radiated.

CRI = Color Rendering Index, a measure of how the colors appear relative to the sun (CRI-100). Makes me think that the closer you get to 100, the more sun-like the spectrum is.

I have some aquarium CFL's - 20" long fixture, 65W, 6700°K, CRI=94 - that seems super. I actually have to back the plants away a bit.

By the way, the number after the "T" in a standard fluorescent bulb is the nominal 12ths of an inch diameter - T12 = 1", T8 = 8/12 = 2/3", etc.
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Old 11-05-2007, 03:19 PM
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Hi Steven....you caught me on that one! The T12 tubes that I get are 34 watt because they are energy savers. I didn't think to check to see if 40 watt tubes are still available. The T8s are 32 watt and I don't know if they are made with higher wattage. Ray made a good point about color index but I thought I read that horticulture tubes were heavy in the red spectrum for better growth. When I get time, I will search about that.

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Old 11-05-2007, 04:38 PM
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Hi Steven....you caught me on that one! The T12 tubes that I get are 34 watt because they are energy savers. I didn't think to check to see if 40 watt tubes are still available. The T8s are 32 watt and I don't know if they are made with higher wattage. Ray made a good point about color index but I thought I read that horticulture tubes were heavy in the red spectrum for better growth. When I get time, I will search about that.

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John, et al, just a quick primer... watts are not the issue here.... there are several other factors to consider.

Red spectrum is primarily aimed at blooms. Thus the mix some folks use of incandescent plus cool-white florescents.

Blue spectrum is primarily aimed at leaf/vegetative growth. Thus the blue (daylight) tubes that folks use. My personal mix is 3 high spectrum bulbs to one low spectrum bulb all the time.

Having said this, there is another point we need to remember, lumens (or foot-candles, what have you) is the intensity of the light put out by the tubes. It is almost always measured at the surface of the bulb. Thus a bulb (doesn't matter what "t" it is) puts out a certain amount of lumens when first turned on and that measurement drops at a certain measured rate over its life. T12's and most t8's drop pretty drastically over a period of approx 12 months. So if you first read, say, 10,000 lumens at the surface of the bulb, 12 months later it may have dropped to 8,000 or something less. One foot (12") away that would be significantly less.

Now, there is another factor that must be taken into account. Temperature of operation. The t12/t8 technology is the so-called cool-bulb technology. When you hear that florescent bulbs are cooler to run, that is pretty much always aimed at t12/t8 bulbs. t5 bulbs on the other hand are designed to run at 95 degrees F (much higher than the other two - don't recall right now their operating temps) which means you need to deal with an ambient temperature of at least 95 degrees F. I personally choose to attempt to exhaust as much of this heat as possible before it gets into the tank or near the orchids.

A new technology pioneered by BlueMaxâ„¢ Full Spectrum Fluorescent Lights is a so-called t6 series. This is supposed to be higher output in a thin tube. Don't have personal knowledge of this series, but am doubtful the technology keeps up with the claims.

When selecting florescent light technology for lighting orchids, please keep in mind a few points:

1) How bright can I get? In other words, which technology do I want?

2) Is heat an issue? Or can I use the excess heat to provide the environment my orchids want?

3) Do I want to pay a higher amount up-front for fixtures, etc. or pay later for replacement bulbs (the t5 fixture vs CF bulb discussion).?
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Old 11-21-2007, 10:15 PM
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ebay@htcsupply.com has a lot of good information on the lighting you asking about and a very good set up deal on the lighting
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Old 11-22-2007, 10:43 AM
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Regarding lighting, can anyone recommend to me what I should do? All of my orchids are on a screened patio facing north/east. I'm in trouble with at least 20 Catts. that aren't going to bud if I don't supplement the light. This area isn't protected from the various weather conditions such as rain so I can't even consider installing lights onto the shelving units. I need something portable and don't know what kind of lighting to use? Any suggestions on what I should be looking for except a new place to live, lol?

Advice appreciated! Thanks!
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Old 11-22-2007, 10:45 AM
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I tend to agree with Ray and Ross here. We agrue the same issues growing aquatic plants.

Someone earlier mention color temperature of the light which just provides a reference to what color the light appears. For what it's worth, noon-day sun has a temp of about 5,000-5,500 degrees K(elvin). Lights with color temps higher like 6,500K, 10,000K, 20,000 K that we use in aquatic setups like reef tanks, look whiter to a point then start looking bluer as the temps increase. Lights with color temps ranging in the 4,000K to 5,000K range tend to look yellower and not as pleasing to the eye. Below 4,000K they start looking red.

Plants are adapted to photosynthesize best with both some red and some blue light, with wavelengths of roughly 420 and 680 nanometres. These are really the numbers we want to concentrate on. Descriptions of some of the higher end specialty bulbs will say what the wavelengths are. For example, an Actinic 03 florescent bulb commonly used for reef tanks only puts out 420nm wavelenngth light.

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Old 11-22-2007, 10:47 AM
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Thank all for your information. It's a very interesting subject. I already have T8 fixtures and T5 is too expensive for me so I stay with T8. I bought 2 tubes 24" long, 18W, 6700°K, CRI=86 for $5.68 (each + shipping ~ $8 at bulbs.com). After a week, I can see a big different: leaves turn a little bit red and grow fast; plants seems more happy; and I am happy too.

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Old 11-22-2007, 12:04 PM
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Regarding lighting, can anyone recommend to me what I should do? All of my orchids are on a screened patio facing north/east. I'm in trouble with at least 20 Catts. that aren't going to bud if I don't supplement the light. This area isn't protected from the various weather conditions such as rain so I can't even consider installing lights onto the shelving units. I need something portable and don't know what kind of lighting to use? Any suggestions on what I should be looking for except a new place to live, lol?

Advice appreciated! Thanks!
I bought a light at Home Depot that is a CF in a weather proof fixture. It puts out 500 watts and uses 60 watts or less power. It cost me less than $40. I tossed the box so I don't remember the exact model number. A couple of those would be what you would try. It would require some electrical wiring and maybe some conduit unless you could figure out a way to mount it to a portable system and a cord.
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