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Old 04-13-2012, 11:22 AM
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I know this may seem nebbish to some, but I have a C schilleriana that is flowering and was wondering..wheres the pollen at? I want to cross the plant with a P. villosum (is this even genetically possible in the orchid world?). Here's a pic of the current flower.





So...wheres the pollen at and how would I get to it (an orchid grower showed me how to pollinate the usual appearance of orchid flowers, but this one is different)?
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Old 04-13-2012, 11:28 AM
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you have a paphiopedilum there, not a cattleya....and catts wont cross with paphs....sorry
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Old 04-13-2012, 11:33 AM
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CPGrower - First off, Welcome to the Orchid Board. The photo you have included is not a Cattleya, it is a Paphiopedilum. The two genera are not related and can not be bred together. The pollinia on a Paph is behind and on either side of the staminode, the shield like structure just above the lip/pouch. You have to remove the pouch to get to it.
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Welcome CPgrower!
You can only cross Paphs with Paphs, and Catts with other Catts or other genera in the Catt alliance. Maybe crosses between 2 entirely different groups is usually impossible (but there are some exceptions) due to numerous incompatibilities between the plants.
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hi, welcome to OB.

I think most people have had your thoughts at some point regarding hybridization Even though it would be cool to cross a Cattleya with a Paphiopedilum, hybridization does not work that easy for orchids...

Tha basic rule (with very few exceptions!) is that you can only cross orchids that belong to the same tribe, e.g. Laelinae (Cattleya, Laelia, Sophronits...), Oncidinae (Oncidium, Odontoglossum, Psychopsis)... as mentioned, sometimes you have exceptions, that work in both directions: different tribes being able to be crossed, or same tribe not being able to be crossed...

Most orchids have the pollen (actually you speak about pollinia, as the pollen is packed and not in powder as in most flowers) in the tip of a structure called columna... Paphiopedilum and other slippers are a bit different because their "pollinia" are sticky and situated at both sides below the staminode, as explained by Glen above.

now, back to hybridization, I assume you do not know very well what have to be done in order to raise an orchid from seeds... this is as well not so easy (but not impossible!) and you should think whether all the work is worth for you: polination... wait 6 to 15 months to have the capsule ready to collect the seeds; send the seeds to a lab in order to have them sterile conditions (you can do this yourself if you have the equipments and knowledge!), wait for about 12 months until you can get the new plants out of the flasks and sent to you; wait for about 3 to 6 years until the plants that survived all this year produce the first flower...
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I guess I could always give self pollination a try...
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This is the picture of a C. schilleriana flower photographed by Marlon...your picture is of a Paphiopedillum flower
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Video shows pollination of a Phal, but Cattleyas are no different:



Paphs, Phrags, Cyps, Mexipediums, and Selenipediums are different.

There is nothing wrong with doing a selfing of your species orchids. You are helping species orchids out by expanding their numbers in cultivation where they can survive! Species orchids' habitats are constantly under threat, and some habitats have been completely destroyed. Keep that in mind the next time you think about breeding orchids and deciding on whether to get seeds of species orchids or hybrids.
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So, what are the unusual exceptions regarding hybridization between unrelated genera? just curious!
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So, what are the unusual exceptions regarding hybridization between unrelated genera? just curious!
I always though crosses were limited to the same alliance, though Ramon says it's within the same tribe. Alliance= highly related genera within a single tribe, that usually can be crossed

So for instance, I consider crosses between Phals and Vandaceous plants to be an exception, while by Ramon's definition it's normal.
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