Awarded Unregistered Blc. - Orchid Board

ronaldhanko · #1 03-20-2010, 02:01 AM

This plant was awarded by the AOS in 1990. The award was an AM/AOS of 80 pts given to Carmela Orchids. At the time the plant was unregistered and I have never been able to find the name of the cross or if it was registered. I've tried to contact Carmela but have gotten no response. If anyone knows what this plant is I'd appreciate the info for my records.

Swamper · #2 03-20-2010, 06:58 AM

It's gonna be tough. Good luck, she's a beauty.

Ray · #3 03-20-2010, 08:27 AM

An unregistered plant cannot get an AOS award. It can be given a provisional award, with the requirement that it be registered.

I think you're simply going to have to keep trying to contact them.

Carmela has originated a number of registered cattleya-types (about 100), but the awarded plant may not have been originated by them, so doing a search in OrchidWiz is "iffy", especially since not all entries have photos.

DebsC · #4 03-20-2010, 11:26 AM

That flower is beautiful and well worth the extra effort to discover it's name. Good luck!!!!

ronaldhanko · #5 03-20-2010, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Ray

An unregistered plant cannot get an AOS award. It can be given a provisional award, with the requirement that it be registered.

I think you're simply going to have to keep trying to contact them.

Carmela has originated a number of registered cattleya-types (about 100), but the awarded plant may not have been originated by them, so doing a search in OrchidWiz is "iffy", especially since not all entries have photos.

Ray, I know the award was only provisional and kept a lookout in AQ for a number of years after the award was given but never saw the plant there and assumed that either I missed it or that the award was still waiting for the cross to be registered. I haven't gotten AQ for a number of years now (can't afford it) so don't know if the award ever went through.

Zoi2 · #6 03-20-2010, 02:34 PM

It's gorgeous, I hope you are able to find the name.
Joann

ronaldhanko · #7 03-20-2010, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Zoi2

It's gorgeous, I hope you are able to find the name.
Joann

Thanks, Joann. I'm hoping too that someone recognizes it or that it was cloned.

Carl Austin · #8 03-21-2010, 01:33 AM

I don't understand. To my knowledge, the AOS would never award a plant without knowing the parentage.

Also if the award was awarded to Carmela on a provisional basis and they didn't follow through with the registration, wouldn't that bar them from ever receiving another AOS award?

Carl

ronaldhanko · #9 03-21-2010, 01:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Carl Austin

I don't understand. To my knowledge, the AOS would never award a plant without knowing the parentage.

Also if the award was awarded to Carmela on a provisional basis and they didn't follow through with the registration, wouldn't that bar them from ever receiving another AOS award?

Carl

You are correct that the award should have been followed and that the AOS would not award other plants, but if it was not a Carmela cross and they were unable to get it registered the registration may never have happened, though I don't know about that - I just haven't been able to find it. The parents would have had to be available at the time the cross was given a provisional award, but I don't have them.

cattmad · #10 03-21-2010, 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by ronaldhanko

This plant was awarded by the AOS in 1990. The award was an AM/AOS of 80 pts given to Carmela Orchids. At the time the plant was unregistered and I have never been able to find the name of the cross or if it was registered. I've tried to contact Carmela but have gotten no response. If anyone knows what this plant is I'd appreciate the info for my records.

The registered name of your plant is Rsc. Mem John Odem. The cross is Rsc Rockdell x Rsc Toshie Aoki. I have this Orchid also so I will post mine for you to see. Cattmad
Sorry, I can't spell, Odem should read Odum and it was registered with the varietal name ' Carmela '.
Cattmad.