Cycnoches Yellow Coffee

[PaphMadMan]

That's an attractive bloom. Unfortunately, without it being a registered cross anyone can call anything Yellow Coffee unless it is otherwise a legal trademark or a patented cultivar. Even with a trademark, the trademark holder can apply the name to anything. There is no guarantee that another plant sold as Yellow Coffee will be similar.

And every time we buy such a plant, we encourage producers to skip the registration process and sell whatever cheaply produced mass market dreck they can, and we drive up the price of anything of guaranteed identity and quality.

[katrina]

Originally Posted by Regelian

Steve,
thanks for the input. Based on the lip form and spotting, I expect Cyc. loddigessi to be in there somewhere. I found a cross listed from South America with a complex parentage involving Cyc. loddigessi, Cyc. egertonainum, Cyc. cooperi and Cyc. herrenhusanum. No fotos, no registration, so just a wild guess.

Ahh, the plot thickens.......

Cyc barthiorum could also provide the spots. I think it's safe to say that w/out a positive ID from the seller/grower...you will never know for sure what the parentage is. Adding to the confusion is fact that IME many Ctsm are known for their extreme diversity w/in a group of seedlings. I have purchased seedlings from the same cross and when they bloomed out you would never have guessed they were related, much less from the same flask.

With or w/out a positive ID...you can still enjoy the plant/flowers.

[Regelian]

Originally Posted by katrina

With or w/out a positive ID...you can still enjoy the plant/flowers.

Now there's the trick. Beauty is still in the eye of the beholder.

Someone may still register the cultivar, or it may actually be in the process. Time will tell. For myself, as I do take parentage seriously, I cannot use this plant in hybridizing, except for my own fun. (frankly, a waste of effort, if you are commercially motivated)

I have found some non registered seedlings which show similar traits. It may become more obvious as the second spike developes. Except for the lip, it strongly resembles C. barthiorum.

If I knew that this was simply a seedling I would purchase a few more to see what qualities appear. Cycnoches is quite difficult to find in Europe.

J.

[Regelian]

Originally Posted by PaphMadMan

That's an attractive bloom. Unfortunately, without it being a registered cross anyone can call anything Yellow Coffee unless it is otherwise a legal trademark or a patented cultivar. Even with a trademark, the trademark holder can apply the name to anything. There is no guarantee that another plant sold as Yellow Coffee will be similar.

And every time we buy such a plant, we encourage producers to skip the registration process and sell whatever cheaply produced mass market dreck they can, and we drive up the price of anything of guaranteed identity and quality.

One of the unfortunate facts of modern life. Indeed, the horse has long fled the barn. Phalaenopsis, Dendrobium and Cattleya hybrids are in every supermarket. Impossible to ID, regardless of beauty. They have become throw-away house plants. Addmittedly, this was a hard pill to swallow, still, there is a great deal of interesting hybridizing still going on, just not for the mass market. Limiting ones purchases to registered crosses is not going to change the situation. In the end, the rent must be paid.
What actually brings me to ponder is the diminishing number of orchid club members these days. The AOS and DOG are at all time lows.

J.

[isurus79]

Originally Posted by Regelian

Steve,
thanks for the input. Based on the lip form and spotting, I expect Cyc. loddigessi to be in there somewhere. I found a cross listed from South America with a complex parentage involving Cyc. loddigessi, Cyc. egertonainum, Cyc. cooperi and Cyc. herrenhusanum. No fotos, no registration, so just a wild guess.

Ahh, the plot thickens.......

Gotta love the complicated ones!

---------- Post added at 01:23 PM ---------- Previous post was at 01:21 PM ----------

Originally Posted by Regelian

The AOS and DOG are at all time lows.

Actually, the AOS has been rebounding nicely in recent years.

[Fernando]

DOG ... for what they are doing, there is no need of it. Just look at the 'awards' !

[Regelian]

OK, I found some infos about Cyc. 'Yellow Coffee' It was apparently bred by Miki Orchids in Taiwan, the parentage is Cyc. pentadactylon x herrenhusanum X Cyc. bathiorum. As the first part of the cross is already registered as Cyc. Anne-Kathrin Berger, we have Cyc. Anne-Kathrin Berger x bathiorum 'Yellow Coffee' as the correct naming (at this time) for the plant.

There are currently 4 named clones in circulation: Yellow Coffee, Orange Coffee, Green Coffee and Dark Horse.

Special thanks to the members of Catasetinae Canada (Facebook) for quickly responding and clearing the riddle.

[isurus79]

Originally Posted by Regelian

OK, I found some infos about Cyc. 'Yellow Coffee' It was apparently bred by Miki Orchids in Taiwan, the parentage is Cyc. pentadactylon x herrenhusanum X Cyc. bathiorum. As the first part of the cross is already registered as Cyc. Anne-Kathrin Berger, we have Cyc. Anne-Kathrin Berger x bathiorum 'Yellow Coffee' as the correct naming (at this time) for the plant.

There are currently 4 named clones in circulation: Yellow Coffee, Orange Coffee, Green Coffee and Dark Horse.

Special thanks to the members of Catasetinae Canada (Facebook) for quickly responding and clearing the riddle.

I was wondering if that was your thread!

Bernie (who knows his Catasetinae!!) said this:

The correct way to label these with a cultivar name is:
(Cyc. Anne-Kathrin Berger x Cyc. barthiorum) 'Yellow Coffee'
(Cyc. Anne-Kathrin Berger x Cyc. barthiorum) 'Green Coffee'
(Cyc. Anne-Kathrin Berger x Cyc. barthiorum) 'Dark Horse', etc.....

[Regelian]

Wow, Steve, I'm being watched!

I'm not paranoid...I'm really not.

cheers, mate,
J.

[isurus79]

Originally Posted by Regelian

Wow, Steve, I'm being watched!

I'm not paranoid...I'm really not.

cheers, mate,
J.