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Some orchids are bird pollinated. Not all of them are insect pollinated. Birds are very visual creatures. It's very possible they can see blue.

I know butterflies and moths are not just attracted to scent but to the color red as well.
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Australia has several species of blue flowering orchid. From what I have found on the subject they are highly protected species and even the local orchid societies around Perth have difficulty obtaining them. One group was able to get a permit to collect/ save some when a new highway project was being built through their home range. They are banned from export as far as I was able to learn; as I spoke to one of the members of the orchid society in Perth.
These orchids are from the genus Thelymitra and Cyanicula with the species Cyanicula Gemmata producing some of the most incredible blues I have ever seen in an orchid.
Oddly enough I understand this little terrestrial orchid requires wildfires to trigger a blooming cycle.

Here are some pictures I found of the bluer shades of Thelymitra crinata and a Cyanicula Gemmata.
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Australia has several species of blue flowering orchid. From what I have found on the subject they are highly protected species and even the local orchid societies around Perth have difficulty obtaining them. One group was able to get a permit to collect/ save some when a new highway project was being built through their home range. They are banned from export as far as I was able to learn; as I spoke to one of the members of the orchid society in Perth.
These orchids are from the genus Thelymitra and Cyanicula with the species Cyanicula Gemmata producing some of the most incredible blues I have ever seen in an orchid.
Oddly enough I understand this little terrestrial orchid requires wildfires to trigger a blooming cycle.

Here are some pictures I found of the bluer shades of Thelymitra crinata and a Cyanicula Gemmata.

Some Thelymitras are available for export, but they're ridiculously difficult to get a hold of because of a lot of red tape.

I'm trying to gather up enough people with enough interest in importing some of these to the US to reduce the cost of the CITES and phytosanitary certificate.

The shipping cost is reasonable. The plants themselves are relatively inexpensive.

The CITES documentation and the phytosanitary certificate are backbreakers.

Then there's the import permit, which I'm going to be working on.

You want in?

So far, it's me, and Duane, maybe his buddy. If you or anyone else wants in, I'll keep you posted. A new price list will be up during our winter of 2011. It's a bit too late now, and nobody has the resources to pull this one off at this time.

Cyanicula spp. are impossible to find for sale.

The following are more reasonable acquisitions, and only certain species or hybrids:

Thelymitra
Diuris
Corybas
Leptoceras
Caladenia
Pterostylis (and it's subdivisions in genera)
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Old 01-16-2011, 02:59 PM
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Do keep me informed of the import information. I may be interested in joining in under the right circumstances.

The deep blue Thelymitras interest me as does the Corybas diemenicus as I am into miniatures.
The one catch for me is temperature. Most of the orchids from this region are cool growing. Salt Lake City has rather large temperature extreems so I keep all of my miniatures in large wardian case indoors which gives me more control over the environment. My setup probably won't provide enough light for the Thelymitras but I have managed to grow Dendrobium cuthbertsonii so the Corybas might work. You appear to have researched the Australian orchids more than I. Below is a list of some of the plants I have had succes with. I'd be interested in suggestions you may have that would work well with my existing collection.

My primary interest is micro miniature orchids. My favorites which have done well for me are:
Ceratocentron fessellii
Masdevallia erinacea
Lepanthes telepegoniflora
Aerangis luteo-alba v. rhodosticta
Aerangis fastuosa
Pleruothallis grobii
Mediocalcar decoratum

also growing:
Maxilaria sophronitis
Encyclia polybulbon
dendrobium cuthbersonii
Dracula lotax

Attached is a picture of a miniature landscape I did.
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From what I've seen, Thelymitras grow in seasonal semi-arid grasslands.

From what I've gathered, most Thelymitras don't need fire to bloom.

Leptoceras for sure needs fire to bloom, and some Caladenia do. I've read that there are tricks to induce blooming though. I didn't bookmark them, so I gotta go pull them up again. I think it's something about putting ripe bananas in with the tubers just before they break dormancy or something.

Corybas may be the way to go, but they aren't the easiest orchids to grow in general.

The problem is that some don't have true dormancies, and other species do.

They're also very small. The tiny spherical tubers are only 3 mm in diameter, tops.

I've only grown Corybas geminigibbus and I don't even think they're from Australia, they're from mildly seasonal limestone forests in Malaysia.

There's some good info on www.culturesheet.org.

Maybe another one that might be more forgiving might be Diuris or Pterostylis.

People in the US have been growing and selling Greenhoods (Pterostylis) every-now-and-then. I don't know much about these, they're not my favorites of the bunch. I only really like one species from this group and I don't even remember what it is (it's one with a reddish hue).
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I love your mini landscape!!! This is the kind of thing I would love to do in a tank situation.
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Pretty creative tank set up.
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Most of those orchids were moved to my wardian case once I got it built. That landscape was planted on a large lava rock set in an even larger shallow aquarium where I raised guppies. The water wheel actually worked and I had a fogger hidden inside the house so fog would come out the windows. I had that set up for about 3 years. Many of my winter blooming miniatures are currently in full bloom so I really need to photograph my wardian case and post the pictures. Here's another view, I put my computer flat screen behind the landscape to create the sky for this photo.
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Hi Plantguy,

I don't consider myself anywhere near being an experienced or knowledgeable terrestrial orchid grower. However, I've been growing them for over 10 years, at a guess I grow about 200 species/hybrids/forms and I am in regular contact with people who can grow terrestrials orchids that would die if you looked at a photo of it , so take my comments however you see fit.

Just to clarify about Australian orchid availability, it's not as dire as you may think. Yes, Australian orchids growing on public land are protected and there is a lot of red tape involved to get permits to collect plants or seed from these orchids compared to parts of Asia and South America. While illegal collection does unfortunately occur in Australia, there are legitimate ways for these plants to enter cultivation and legally collected/propagated plants are being grown by a reasonably large number of people in Australia. Plants and seed from private land are not subject to the same collection restrictions that plants on public land are. Also plants collected under permit for rescue digs, conservation programs and research also make their way into cultivation.

The export issue is a problem for all orchids exported from Australia not just terrestrials. The inspection and certificate fees needed to meet phytosanitary and CITES requirements are expensive in Australia and there is also a lot of paperwork involved if you are only occasionally sending plants overseas. Private growers and small nurseries usually can't justify the effort to send plants overseas, especially given that our import restrictions make trading plants very difficult. Those nurseries that are willing to export usually require large minimum orders to make the order worth the effort involved. On top of that most Australian nurseries don't sell terrestrials so you are limited in where you can buy them from.

Seed of CITES Appendix II species is relatively free from international export paperwork and is probably the best way to get hold of Australian terrestrials internationally. Of course you need to be able to flask or know someone else who can, which might be a problem. IME, Thelymitra are amongst the easier terrestrials to deflask and I've had some species flower within about 2-3 years of germination. The Australia Orchid Foundation's seed bank is probably the best source of a wide variety of species as the seed bank manager has access to seed that is not on their published list. The Terrorchid seed bank also lists blue Thely seed.

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The one catch for me is temperature. Most of the orchids from this region are cool growing.
Cool growing is not exactly accurate. Most come from temperate to mediterranean climates so they prefer cool winters and warm summers. Keeping them constantly cool may cause you problems. I've noticed that when we've had cooler than average summers the growth pattern of my plants is thrown out of whack. To give you an idea of the temperature ranges where they grow naturally, these are the temperature stats for Perth, Adelaide, Melbourne, Hobart and Sydney. I don't know the climate in Salt Lake City from Timbuktu but looking at your average temperatures, I would have thought your winters are the concern, not your summers.
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Thank you Andrew, that is valuable information. The "cool growing" was based on information gleaned from the Orchid Encyclopedia online but your information provides greater clarity on the issue.

As for Salt Lake City weather.... average high in July 94F (34.5C) but often reaching over 100F (38C) with relative humidity of less than 20%. Winters regularly single digits F (ca. -15C). I do keep my bamboo orchid and cymbidium in the shade of trees, outside in the summer & they do fine. In the winter they go in the greenhouse with the citrus trees.

For anyone interested I did post a few pics from my wardian case in my gallery.

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