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Old 12-26-2021, 04:53 PM
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I've had this mini phal for several years and it has bloomed with 1 spike each year, and no problems. This year it started a new spike, great I thought, and then suddenly a second spike appeared, even better I thought, first mini phal that I've rebloomed with 2 spikes. Until I suddenly realised it was a terminal spike!
I realise that it's just the last bit of growth for that stem but I feel really cheated. Now I've lost interest in the blooms and am checking daily for a new basal growth
I've decided I'm quite happy with 1 bloom spike per plant in the future, being greedy doesn't pay!

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Old 12-26-2021, 05:48 PM
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I've never had a phal do this before. You know what they say it's not the end of the plant but we also know it will take a mini at least 3 years to grow out a new keiki if it does.
Bummer.

I saw on the news the eruptions are officially over now at yours. Took long enough didn't it.
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Old 12-27-2021, 09:14 AM
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Enjoy the blooms. My guess is you won’t see an offshoot until it is done flowering.
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Old 12-27-2021, 12:16 PM
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Am I understanding correctly that by "terminal spike" you mean that the spike is the growing point that would normally be the next leaf?


Edit: I'm asking because the spike doesn't appear to have emerged directly from the center.


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Old 12-27-2021, 02:18 PM
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Hi Keith
Yes the second (terminal) spike emerged right in the top of the plant where I would have expected the next leaf to appear

Thanks Ray, I'll try to enjoy the blooms (through gritted teeth ).
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Old 12-28-2021, 12:33 PM
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Yes the second (terminal) spike emerged right in the top of the plant where I would have expected the next leaf to appear.
I think your worry may be due to another case where Miss Orchid Girl has popularized misinformation. I watched her video on this topic and can say with certainly that several of the things she says in the video are utter nonsense.

MOG's belief that a phalaenopsis with a terminal spike will die may be related to another bit of misinformation she has popularized. In one of her other videos she incorrectly claims that a phalaenopsis that branches will die. I have several phalaenopsis that have spontaneously branched and went on for years living happy productive lives. In fact, my favorite phalaenopsis is a huge plant that has branched twice. It currently has five flower stalks with 50-some flowers and buds and still more still developing.

Another bit of misinformation is MOG's use of the word "keiki" to describe normal axial branching stems. The word keiki is normally used to describe a plantlet that is much like a seedling growing from an irregular location such as the apex of a psudeoblub. Dendrobiums often produce keikis from the side of their canes and phalaenopsis sometimes grow keikis on their flower stalks. As a plantlet, a keiki has roots and can typically be removed and planted when very small. These plantlets are not the same as the normal growths that occur when an orchid stem branches.

When one of my phalaenopsis gets too tall I cut the top off and move the top along with its aerial roots to a new pot. Thereafter, the stem of the part left in the pot always branches normally to create at least one new growing top. I feel lucky when it grows more than one. If the plant base had sufficient leaves, it and the top can both flower in the next season.

If your terminal spike is indeed the central meristem, cutting it off would be effectively the same as removing the top of the plant. Lacking a central growing meristem the main stem will branch as axial meristem tissue begins to grow at one or more locations. I've removed the tops of phalaenospsis many times over the years, and sometimes multiple times with the same phalaenopsis. I've never had one subsequently die. Nor have I had a phalaenopsis die after branching.

I see the phalaenopsis you're growing as a curiosity and a possible opportunity. At this point I certainly wouldn't consider it a setback - it's flowering! I suggest waiting to see if the terminal spike develops buds and flowers. If it isn't going to give you flowers, I'd cut it off. If it flowers, enjoy them for a couple months, then cut it off.

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lol k-sci admit it you are just jeaulous that MOG discovered a flower spike on her Phalaenopsis Gigantea this week

I watched her first video on the subject briefly and I could understand one not believing all her theories because she states she had never had a terminal spike yet she has at least 5 theories on the matter including that the terminal spike might not have damaged the top growth point if it comes out to the side slightly. Could be a glimmer of hope for Fuerte if she is right about that but I love her stating it can happen but it doesn't happen very often. Because out of her 0 terminal spikes 0 carried on growing normally lol?

Anyway, she says it is likely for the plant to die but she adds that if it can produce a keiki then the keiki will live on and overall I feel that is a true reflection if the crown was damaged. Coudn't really spot any of the other points but I skipped parts.
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Mini-phals tend to have P. equestris in their background, a species that tends to produce basal growths to form a clump. I think that the plant will be fine. Let it do its thing.
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Thanks Roberta, that's just what I am doing - nothing - except watching
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lol k-sci admit it you are just jeaulous that MOG discovered a flower spike on her Phalaenopsis Gigantea this week
You know I'm jealous. Mine will probably be another 5-7 years.
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I watched her first video on the subject briefly and I could understand one not believing all her theories because she states she had never had a terminal spike yet she has at least 5 theories on the matter...
From Fuerte's photos, I thought it looked like the spike may have an offset rather than dead center. That's why I asked.
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I love her stating it can happen but it doesn't happen very often. Because out of her 0 terminal spikes 0 carried on growing normally lol?
With her audience, speculating on causes, prognosis, and treatment for something she's never experienced is, IMO, very irresponsible. My guess is that she doesn't realize that she's not the expert she represents herself to be.

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Mini-phals tend to have P. equestris in their background, a species that tends to produce basal growths to form a clump. I think that the plant will be fine. Let it do its thing.
100% Agree. I think its likely there is nothing at all to be unhappy about.
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