BEWARE Markbleg the dishonest.

[Subrosa]

Originally Posted by palm521

what does it have to do with the topic being discussed?

i am just providing an ebay experience , so everyone is aware and avoids getting the same treatment i got from this guy,

i am following the laws of the country i live in. the reason i cant send it back is because i dont have the legal means to introduce plants back to the states. so it cant be done. and will not be sons of course.

It has everything to do with it. I seriously doubt that plant was legally exported in the first place. I have a difficult time believing that one can legally import a plant into Mexico without a phytosanitary inspection. And the fact that the plant came potted proves it wouldn't pass such an inspection.

[palm521]

Originally Posted by Subrosa

It has everything to do with it. I seriously doubt that plant was legally exported in the first place. I have a difficult time believing that one can import a plant into Mexico without a phytosanitary inspection. And the fact that the plant came potted proves it wouldn't pass such an inspection.

again what does it have to do with the Ebay experience i got?

is it necessary to prove you that all the plants that i buy in other countries are imported to Mexico Legally?

just for your information, :

there are a lot (thousands) of potted cymbidiums that are distributed in a huge network of retail places, big chunk of those cymbidiums comes from California! ( i dont import those btw but they come LEGALLY) , same with Phalaenopsis that come Potted from Holland, (alongside tulips, when in season) also vandas and dendrobium from thailand (yes vanda comes without pottinx mix but dendrobiums are potted) etc etc etc,

the rules that apply in the states are different than the ones that apply in other countries. wouldn't you agree?

do you mind if we keep ourselves to the topic that was the EBAY experience and how i got ? maybe you can help with the question i asked in the opening post?

now looking into the pictures , do you think the plant i got is the same plant that was bought at ebay?

thank you Subrosa!
best regards
palm!

[Subrosa]

Originally Posted by palm521

again what does it have to do with the Ebay experience i got?

is it necessary to prove you that all the plants that i buy in other countries are imported to Mexico Legally?

just for your information, :

there are a lot (thousands) of potted cymbidiums that are distributed in a huge network of retail places, big chunk of those cymbidiums comes from California! ( i dont import those btw but they come LEGALLY) , same with Phalaenopsis that come Potted from Holland, (alongside tulips, when in season) also vandas and dendrobium from thailand (yes vanda comes without pottinx mix but dendrobiums are potted) etc etc etc,

the rules that apply in the states are different than the ones that apply in other countries. wouldn't you agree?

do you mind if we keep ourselves to the topic that was the EBAY experience and how i got ? maybe you can help with the question i asked in the opening post?

now looking into the pictures , do you think the plant i got is the same plant that was bought at ebay?

thank you Subrosa!
best regards
palm!

I did a bit of research on importing plants into Mexico. The internet can be a wonderful thing! Why don't you describe the steps you took to comply with the pertinent laws of your country? Did the plant come with phytosanitary certification? Unless the answer to the second question is yes, you illegally imported that plant regardless of what you believe. Which, once again begs the question, if you are willing to illegally import a plant, why not be willing to illegally export it? And as far as I'm concerned ( and this applies as much to myself as to others) if one engages in illegal activity, you're on your own if things don't turn out the way you wanted.

[palm521]

Originally Posted by Subrosa

I did a bit of research on importing plants into Mexico. The internet can be a wonderful thing! Why don't you describe the steps you took to comply with the pertinent laws of your country? Did the plant come with phytosanitary certification? Unless the answer to the second question is yes, you illegally imported that plant regardless of what you believe. Which, once again begs the question, if you are willing to illegally import a plant, why not be willing to illegally export it? And as far as I'm concerned ( and this applies as much to myself as to others) if one engages in illegal activity, you're on your own if things don't turn out the way you wanted.

your reply is offtopic,

since you keep pushing it,and do not listen, i will not be replying to you regarding this importation topic anymore, only this once, understood you made your point, i made mine, thanks for your input.

please understand that i simply don't want to share the process, suffice to know that the plants that comes here , regardless of where they come from, comes legally, my apologies for what i have to say but, if you don't believe it , it is your problem, not mine. and i cannot be forced to respond on this topic until you are satisfied with my answer. does it makes sense?

now please i beg you to stay on topic.

[Whimgrinder]

I would say this is still "on topic" since part of your complaint involves your unwillingness to comply with the seller's request to return the plant for a refund and your stated reasons why you "can't". I'd say that's very relevant to the subject.

[palm521]

Originally Posted by Whimgrinder

I would say this is still "on topic" since part of your complaint involves your unwillingness to comply with the seller's request to return the plant for a refund and your stated reasons why you "can't". I'd say that's very relevant to the subject.

understood, and since you put it that way ,it makes sense i agree. to subrosa, please accept my apologies for treating it as Off topic.

still the problem of claiming that the plant is the same, is what i feel was bad, i would be better to say, i made a mistake, and sent the wrong plant, if i had seem that attitude then, other outcome would have come...

it is that insulting my intelligence playing until the end that it is the same plant posted, that actually got me in my bad side.

i am pretty sure he knew he sent the wrong plant when i wrote to him , was his dishonesty of not taking any responsibility that allowed me to present the case. mistakes makes anyone, dishonesty is something that i cant tolerate. and he was dishonest all the way to the end.

as i said before i dont really care about 70 bucks, the attitude of claiming it was the same even with the proof in front of him, was what trigger my rage (so to speak)

Edit)
being said that. the fact of me returning or not the plant for me at this point for a refund was irrelevant, as it will not erase the fact that he tried to trick me to the end. (need screenshot? more than willing to provide it!)

[Subrosa]

Want to hear something interesting? I contacted the seller posing as a foreign buyer and asked if he could provide phytosanitary certification on his plants. Guess what his answer was? " No, sorry ". That means you did not comply with the laws of your country in obtaining the plant. From the seller's point of view, you're not making sense because you had no problems with skirting the law to get the plant, so why do you suddenly get sanctimonious about skirting the same laws to return it? From my point of view, you're complaing about a seller being dishonest to you, but have no problem being dishonest with us. You clearly stated that you followed all the laws of your country in this transaction, and you clearly didn't follow those laws. Ok, the seller may not be the greatest, and I wrote him off long ago for exactly the reasons Whimgrinder stated. But how should I treat someone who lied directly to me? I'll be nice and give you some advice. There's a legal concept known as " clean hands". What it essentially means is that you lose all right to civil recourse if your own behavior breaks the law. In the future, if you want to import plants, do so legally, or accept the consequences without complaining.

[palm521]

oh my...

subrosa,...

the plant was delivered within the states. in there i have a custom agent company that has offices in here and also in the border, , that gets everything in order so it can cross the border and pass the mexican customs including sagarpa papers , semarnat papers, import permit and also the taxes that needs to be paid when importing plants!. so yes they come here legally.

so now you know... , you only need phytosanitary from the vendor when the vendor ships outside the US to another country. alongside with a bunch of other papers. plus the stuff you need to have in order to allow customs deliver the plants.

plants also get sampled in customs (at the officer discretion) and plants are sent to a UMA in mexico (which btw i have) , if they feel the tissue and the plant needs to be analyzed.,

there are different regulations for Bark and for dirt. (did you know that?)

i am not the expert , i pay for expert services , a company that also helps me run my business. and importation needs! they do the grunt work , i provide the resources to have the machine working. .

i move container worth , pallets and pallets of Consumer electronics. products so yes i have a freaking Custom office that DEALS everything for me, and i receive perfectly legal plants and perfectly legal consumer electronics for me to do a living! .

the company that does the service for me , (*custom agent). cant make the trip back with plants , because i dont have the permits to do so.

please dont take it wrong, but you are too quick to judge people you dont even know.

[Subrosa]

Originally Posted by palm521

oh my...

subrosa,...

the plant was delivered within the states. in there i have a custom agent company that has offices in here and also in the border, , that gets everything in order so it can cross the border and pass the customs including sagarpa papers , semarnat papers, import permit and also the taxes that needs to be paid when importing plants! .

so that you know , you only need phytosanitary from the vendor when the vendor ships outside the US to another country.

so still plants are legal,

please tell me if i am wrong! about phytosanitary.

i move container worth , pallets and pallets of Consumer electronics. products and yes i have a freaking Custom office that DEALS everything for me, and i recieve perfectly legal plants.

the company that does the service for me , *custom agent. can make the trip back with plants , because i dont have the permits to do so.

Propagative plant material requires a phytosanitary to enter Mexico. It's easy to look up. Electronics are a different matter entirely.

---------- Post added at 08:20 PM ---------- Previous post was at 08:19 PM ----------

Originally Posted by palm521

oh my...

subrosa,...

the plant was delivered within the states. in there i have a custom agent company that has offices in here and also in the border, , that gets everything in order so it can cross the border and pass the customs including sagarpa papers , semarnat papers, import permit and also the taxes that needs to be paid when importing plants! .

so that you know , you only need phytosanitary from the vendor when the vendor ships outside the US to another country.

so still plants are legal,

please tell me if i am wrong! about phytosanitary.

i move container worth , pallets and pallets of Consumer electronics. products and yes i have a freaking Custom office that DEALS everything for me, and i recieve perfectly legal plants.

the company that does the service for me , *custom agent. can make the trip back with plants , because i dont have the permits to do so.

Propagative plant material requires a phytosanitary to enter Mexico. It's easy to look up. Electronics are a different matter entirely. I suggest you do your best to enjoy your plant. I'm done with this.

[Leafmite]

I wish you would quit dogging this person. I understand that this all upsets you, Subrosa, but...wow.

Honestly, there is no way, I believe, to keep out disease. We can try but if you are moving plants and not analyzing the tissue under an electron microscope of each and every plant, you are moving disease. I wish that wasn't the case but it is. As for insects, you miss a few eggs and...Citrus Greening.
I hate it but that is the way it is. You either enjoy your orchids that come from other countries and try not to think too hard about it or you decide to only buy orchids that Americans have flasked and raised.
I follow what is happening with the chocolate, coffee, banana and citrus industries and you realize that no matter how hard a country tries to protect their agriculture, if you are importing or moving plants...the diseases will spread...just as it did for the elms and chestnuts. I have a chestnut tree that is mostly American Chestnut. The 'mother tree' died of the Chestnut Blight and mine is fighting it. I love that tree but what can I do?

So, I understand that you wish to protect our agriculture and that in other countries but the absolute best way is to stop moving plants from one area to another altogether and, seriously, that is not going to happen. So, please, enough! Leave this poor person alone!