Thanks for the discussion everyone. LOC got back with me after I posted reviews and refunded the two catasetinae.
I grow a lot of orchids and prefer to buy seedlings since I'm only 45 and I enjoy the satisfaction of blooming something after growing it out for a few years. I have purchased probably 75 catasetinae seedlings and have been growing catasetinae for 6 years, so I have some experience. These were tiny, the new growth represented the first growth post deflasking. The new growth had stunted root nubs on both plants, no roots in the media, browning lil leaves, and the media was soaking wet. They have no chance and LOC knows it.
I also got a trichoglottis and den caniculatum that were quite small, but well rooted and healthy. No blooms for years on these, but at least their success is entirely in my hands.
I just wanted to post a warning about their catasentinae this year. Maybe they will water at the correct time next year.
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Interesting strategy about orchid buying. I grow in my basement however, so I'm not sure how to apply that rule to my setup