Vandas outdoors in So California

[King_of_orchid_growing:)]

Just don't get ones with Vanda (Euanthe) sanderiana in the bloodline of your Vanda hybrids. Don't even try it with the species itself.

Vanda (Euanthe) sanderiana in Vanda hybrids causes them to need to be grown warmer.

Vanda coerulea and hybrids that involve it can take it down to as low as 36 F. That's not advisable in the long run. 45 F is less riskier of a low end temperature.

I'm in Southern California and I grow Vanda coerulea outdoors all year round with no problems whatsoever. But I don't live in the beach cities so I don't know how they'd do all year round outdoors for you. It's easily 10 degrees warmer where am compared to where you are.

[mjHuntingtonBeach]

To the last poster, so where in LA is home? yes, along the coast it does get cooler, altho' I'd like to think the ocean moderates the lows here - as I mentioned it rarely freezes, maybe once every other year. So last year the Vandas went in the house in late November, spent days outside, and were back out there in March. Am very tempted to just leave them out there this winter, so we'll see

And I understand your point re: sanderiana hybrids. Curse that heat craving bastard of a vanda... lol Have several in the house with too much of that in the blend, I don't expect them to survive outdoors. Altho' as a side note, I think that species contributed at least some genes to the four vandas I have outdoors currently.

[King_of_orchid_growing:)]

Home is Rosemead, CA. For those who don't know, Rosemead is a small inland city in Los Angeles County. It's part of the San Gabriel Valley, because we're near the San Gabriel Mountains. This is 15 to 20 minutes east of Downtown LA.

[King_of_orchid_growing:)]

I did a bit of digging into the complex lineage of Vanda Manudavee. I only got as far as this:

Vanda Manudavee = (Vanda Ponpimol x Vanda coerulea)

Vanda Ponpimol = (Vanda Madame Rattana x Ascda Phairot)


Vanda Madame Rattana = (Vanda Sun Tan x Vanda Memoria Madame Pranerm)


Vanda Sun Tan = (Vanda Beebe Summer x Euanthe sanderiana)

Vanda Memoria Madame Pranerm = (Vanda Waipuna x Vanda Eisenhower)


Vanda Eisenhower = (Vanda Ellen Noa x Euanthe sanderiana)

Vanda Waipuna = (Vanda Ellen Noa x Vanda Rothschildiana)


Vanda Ellen Noa = (Vand dearei x Euanthe sanderiana)

Vanda Rothschildiana = (Vanda coerulea x Euanthe sanderiana)

[King_of_orchid_growing:)]

Okay...

Foot in mouth.

Fine...

The hybrids with the cooler species mixed in to focus on the cooler growing aspect of Vandas.

Vanda dearei is more of an intermediate growing Vanda.

Vanda coerulea can go pretty cold.

[King_of_orchid_growing:)]

I couldn't find the lineage for Ascda Phairot and Vanda Beebe Summer.

[mjHuntingtonBeach]

Hehehe... yeah, I tried to do the excercise you just did to track down what's in the blend on various hybrids. It's not that easy just looking around the web. I think you got a bit further along than I managed. I think there is a paid service online that has more details but since I don't have a paid subscription, no good.

Have also been trying to figure out the blend for V. Pure's Wax, which has a nice dark blue coloring but seems like it has more of the E. Sanderiana in it. But it's been out all summer and finally seems to be perking up. I also bought another cross last spring, a mix of V. Manuvadee and V. Mimi Palmer, blooms blue, just not sure how temperature tolerant it will be with the Mimi Palmer mixed in. I believe that one is half V. Tesselata, which seems to be an intermediate grower, but not entirely sure.

But it does sound like the Coerulea component of Manuvadee is definitely more dominant, so that's lucky. Ditto for my Tokyo Blue (which I bought since I saw the Santa Barbara Orchid Estate advertising that cross as temperature tolerant to grow with Cymbidiums).

I also bought a V. Somsri Gold 'Pachara' at the orchid show in Santa Barbara, here's a picture I found online, had an inflo that died on me but the plant is still healthy:



And bought a bright yellow called "Ascocenda Crownfox Yellow Sapphire" that is currently on sale on Ebay from Carmela's orchids. I'm afraid both of these varieties are very warm growing, but not sure.

Finally, here's a V. Robert's Delight Big Black that I bought last winter, actually got some flowers off of it in Spring. But the seller told me it's roughly only 17% coerulea, and a big chunk of E. Sanderiana, which had I known I probably would not have bought it.





And today I'll try and buy a couple of V. Tricolor on ebay, I have read they can be somewhat temperature tolerant, we'll find out I guess.

[King_of_orchid_growing:)]

Vanda tricolor is definitely temperature tolerant.

Psyched posted the many varieties of them here on the OB in this Vanda Alliance forum.

I've also seen Vanda tricolor being grown with Cymbidiums and cooler growing Dendrobiums up at Santa Barbara Orchid Estate.

Then there was my visit to Indonesia when I was a kid. I remembered I was visiting my grandmother on my mom's side and she lived in a small town called Malang and it was in the hills where it's pretty lush still. On my way to my grandma's I remembered seeing the hillside terraces where the farmers had made to form their rice paddies. It's pretty mild there in temperature. My mom compares the climate of that area with how it is here and how similar the two climates are.

So, not all orchids from Indonesia are warm growers. If they're from the midlands or highlands, it's pretty mild in climate.

[King_of_orchid_growing:)]

Yeah, that tracing of the hybrid lineage...

Not so easy.

My name is Philip btw.

[mjHuntingtonBeach]

Good to meet you Philip. Mike here. Have a feeling I'll be following your posts closely - you knows your stuff