Three Spurred Neofinetia Flowers

[MattWoelfsen]

At last! I own a Manjushage. An entire year of waiting and watching and being outbid! Its mine!


Manjushage 曼珠沙華 by MattWoelfsen, on Flickr

[Hiester]

Originally Posted by MattWoelfsen

At last! I own a Manjushage. An entire year of waiting and watching and being outbid! Its mine!


Manjushage 曼珠沙華 by MattWoelfsen, on Flickr

This has triple spurs? Is that what makes it Manjushage 曼珠沙華? I'm still learning about all the different characteristics of these noble orchids.

[MattWoelfsen]

Yes, Hiester. Having a three-spur flower verified as a three spur makes it a Manjushage. The irony is this plant may not produce three spurs the next time it blooms. Or it may throw a spike that has a mix of one, two, or three. This feature cannot be bred to be 3-spurred. And that makes each plant unique and highly valued. And worth the wait!

[Hiester]

Originally Posted by MattWoelfsen

Yes, Hiester. Having a three-spur flower verified as a three spur makes it a Manjushage. The irony is this plant may not produce three spurs the next time it blooms. Or it may throw a spike that has a mix of one, two, or three. This feature cannot be bred to be 3-spurred. And that makes each plant unique and highly valued. And worth the wait!

Hmm... interesting. So just taking a wild stab at the logic behind this phenomenon, it sounds as if it might be a group of genetically differentiated chimeric cells which are the cause. Assuming this is the case, then this same mechanism can sometimes be the cause of varying degrees of variegation in plant leaves, as well as oddly differentiated colors in blooms of some examples.

[AnonYMouse]

Originally Posted by MattWoelfsen

At last! I own a Manjushage. An entire year of waiting and watching and being outbid! Its mine!

I imagine wringing hands and a maniacal "mwahahaha".

[brn_thmbs]

Originally Posted by Hiester

Hmm... interesting. So just taking a wild stab at the logic behind this phenomenon, it sounds as if it might be a group of genetically differentiated chimeric cells which are the cause. Assuming this is the case, then this same mechanism can sometimes be the cause of varying degrees of variegation in plant leaves, as well as oddly differentiated colors in blooms of some examples.

Either that or the plant knows how much Matt bid for the plant & is just doing him a solid

Nice snag Matt! Can't wait to see those flowers.

[JMNYC]

Originally Posted by MattWoelfsen

Hi Jayfar, I got outbid for all the plants I was interested in acquiring. That is okay, if I was meant to win any of my auctions, I would've. Some person named H****I beat me out on most of the plants I was interested in, and there were some last minute other bidders too. I think this H****I wanted a lot of plants tonight. And s/he paid reasonably priced Neos. I wasn't paying too much on the bidding. There were other bidders that were higher and then H****I swooped in and cleaned up.

How often does Seed Engei set up auctions? I don't see any more plants for tomorrow? Do they only do Sundays and Mondays? I haven't started paying attention until this past weekend.

Isn't it annoying when others there keep bidding on YOUR orchid? I know this feeling!

I also think some in question there are dealers. They seem only to bid on orchids, lots of them.

eBay rocks.

[trdyl]

Originally Posted by MattWoelfsen

At last! I own a Manjushage. An entire year of waiting and watching and being outbid! Its mine!


Manjushage 曼珠沙華 by MattWoelfsen, on Flickr

Congrats Matt!!!

Anyone that grows Neos should have at least one of these in there collection.

[Hakumin]

Originally Posted by Hiester

This has triple spurs? Is that what makes it Manjushage 曼珠沙華? I'm still learning about all the different characteristics of these noble orchids.

While Manjushage plants are often simply defined as just having three spurs, there are a few other qualifiers too.

I know of at least 5 (possibly 6) plants that create flowers with three spurs.

All images were found through google and are not mine.

Manjushage is the most common. The flowers generally face forward or to the side (as opposed to upwards). Flowers are usually white with maybe the slightest tinge of pink or green. The two additional spurs emerge from the two top inner tepals.





Benikanzashi and Hanakanzashi. These might be the same plant, but I'm not sure. I've seen references to both, but I can't tell them apart. These have three spurs on flowers that have the same color as Shutenno flowers. The two additional spurs emerge from the bottom two lateral outer tepals.





Hanamatoi has three spurs on green or white buds that never or rarely fully open. The extra spurs come from the two inner tepals.





Kintaikan has flowers that have three spurs, with the extra ones coming from the top inner tepals, but those extra spurs are shorter than the main spur. I'm not sure if these flowers open fully or stay closed like the Hanamatoi.





Tamakouro (or perhaps gyokukouro?) has three spurs but the flowers face upward and the tepals are generally a bit shorter than the Manjushage. The spurs appear from the two upper inner tepals (lip=bottom). (I'm in the process of searching for this for my own collection...)

[brn_thmbs]

Originally Posted by Hakumin

While Manjushage plants are often simply defined as just having three spurs, there are a few other qualifiers too.

I know of at least 5 (possibly 6) plants that create flowers with three spurs.

All images were found through google and are not mine.

Manjushage is the most common. The flowers generally face forward or to the side (as opposed to upwards). Flowers are usually white with maybe the slightest tinge of pink or green. The two additional spurs emerge from the two top inner tepals.





Benikanzashi and Hanakanzashi. These might be the same plant, but I'm not sure. I've seen references to both, but I can't tell them apart. These have three spurs on flowers that have the same color as Shutenno flowers. The two additional spurs emerge from the bottom two lateral outer tepals.





Hanamatoi has three spurs on green or white buds that never or rarely fully open. The extra spurs come from the two inner tepals.





Kintaikan has flowers that have three spurs, with the extra ones coming from the top inner tepals, but those extra spurs are shorter than the main spur. I'm not sure if these flowers open fully or stay closed like the Hanamatoi.





Tamakouro (or perhaps gyokukouro?) has three spurs but the flowers face upward and the tepals are generally a bit shorter than the Manjushage. The spurs appear from the two upper inner tepals (lip=bottom). (I'm in the process of searching for this for my own collection...)

Awesome! Thanks for posting the info.

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