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Old 07-18-2014, 10:20 PM
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And Hakumin, thanks for showing the triple spur upward flowers! I didn't know about it. Also the link to article is offline. Is there another working link?
Leslie
Leslie, You can download it here, just put it on my Google Drive. https://drive.google.com/folderview?...28&usp=sharing

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Hakumin,

Its certainly possible what you say about the spur length. Pictures I have seen of Benikanzashi show much longer spurs.

About double spurred and triple spurred varieties. I read on several sites, including Seed Engei, that the first blooms on jong plants could be normal flowers. Could this be the case, becouse the plants are not yet strong enough?

The thing with NWO is probably that Kristen is fairly new to all of this as she promptly took over from Glen.
In my search for different varieties I came and come across many things and it is sometimes very difficult to figure out what is correct and what is not. I'm sure I'm making a lot of mistakes. and then there is an other huge problem. Some use Japanese names, some Korean, which does not make it much easier. I think we all try to do our best to do the right thing and have to help each other where we can. We do not have enough knowledge of Japanese, certainly I don't. And to keep track of all these changes is hard because for us its not a way of life. I don't even think we can join the Japanese Fuukiran Society and if we could, we certainly could not read their correspondence because of the language barrier. I'm shore if we contact Kristen, she would check it out and set things right. On her site there are more things that are not correct but if you mail her she will correct it if necessary.

I know we are all (including me) freaky when it comes to our hobby. So why don't we just help each other.

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Old 07-18-2014, 10:39 PM
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Hakumin,

Its certainly possible what you say about the spur length. Pictures I have seen of Benikanzashi show much longer spurs.

About double spurred and triple spurred varieties. I read on several sites, including Seed Engei, that the first blooms on jong plants could be normal flowers. Could this be the case, becouse the plants are not yet strong enough?

The thing with NWO is probably that Kristen is fairly new to all of this as she promptly took over from Glen.
In my search for different varieties I came and come across many things and it is sometimes very difficult to figure out what is correct and what is not. I'm sure I'm making a lot of mistakes. and then there is an other huge problem. Some use Japanese names, some Korean, which does not make it much easier. I think we all try to do our best to do the right thing and have to help each other where we can. We do not have enough knowledge of Japanese, certainly I don't. And to keep track of all these changes is hard because for us its not a way of life. I don't even think we can join the Japanese Fuukiran Society and if we could, we certainly could not read their correspondence because of the language barrier. I'm shore if we contact Kristen, she would check it out and set things right. On her site there are more things that are not correct but if you mail her she will correct it if necessary.

I know we are all (including me) freaky when it comes to our hobby. So why don't we just help each other.

Firstly, of course we should all help each other. I have experience in both Korean and Japanese, which is why I always try to pipe up when someone has some confusion between names in the two languages. I'm also apparently one of the few who can research these plants in Japanese and I try to post any interesting findings whenever I can.

I'm always up for helping others whenever I can, and of course I get help from others in areas where my knowledge is lacking.

As for the multiple spur flowers, yes, younger plants might get fewer spurs (and other characteristic flowers may show weaker characteristics) than plants that are well established and have multiple growths. An example is my Soubiryu. I got the plant in 2011. the first year, it bloomed with one flower. The second year, with 3 flowers, one of which had only one spur. This year the plant bloomed with 7 flowers and 2 with only one spur. The flowers look better developed each year and I have confirmed on Japanese and Korean websites that after the plant is well established, they rarely get single spurred flowers.

So yes, that hanakanzashi photo that I found might have shorter spurs because of being a younger plant. It would begin to constitute a different plant, I believe if the characteristics stay consistent over time.

I'll be doing more research on the multiple spur varieties on the Japanese and Korean websites soon.

Shall I start a new thread about multi-spur flowers rather than continuing to commandeer this thread?
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