Neof. falcata Oonamiseikai 大波青海 "Big Blue Ocean Wave"

[MattWoelfsen]

Thanks for the note and picture Quay! We're back up to seven:
1. Seikai
2. Oonamiseikai
3. Jukai
4. Unkai
5. Oonamiseikai-shima
6. Seishukukai
7. Itoseikai

[MattWoelfsen]

This is interesting. Seed Engei has a Facebook photo of a Seikai-shima. Price? US$1,200.00!! Check it out:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...type=3&theater

[Jayfar]

Originally Posted by MattWoelfsen

This is interesting. Seed Engei has a Facebook photo of a Seikai-shima. Price? US$1,200.00!! Check it out:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...type=3&theater

But a maizuru for only 80. Not a big one, but a good ground floor opportunity for anyone who doesn't already have this classic (see Orchid Digest vol. 70-2).

[MattWoelfsen]

Originally Posted by Jayfar

But a maizuru for only 80. Not a big one, but a good ground floor opportunity for anyone who doesn't already have this classic (see Orchid Digest vol. 70-2).

Oh no you posted the word "classic".

Soon we'll get a 1,000 word posting with lots of links to inscrutable websites, explaining our erroneous and futile mis-interpretation of highly cultured Japanese--being Occidental, we lack the ability to appreciate and revere properly--Japanese customs and traditions--unless we are tutored by a Zen master--accompanied by many disclaimers of humble but honorable intention for pointing out our foolish and audacious desire to even own these plants. (run-on sentence intended, pun intended and (lol))

BTW, you dodged a weather bullet! I hope you have great holiday Jayfar.

[kentaki]

Originally Posted by MattWoelfsen

Oh no you posted the word "classic".

I am giggling. I have never said it is about occidental (Are Americans occidental to begin with?) vs. Asiatic. It is about people who translated those (more or less official) names and their incompetence or even ignorance. I would fully blame Fukiran Society of America because they were supposed to disseminate accurate information, but they did not. They should have some decency to ask a native speaker if translated names make sense or not. After all, they are a branch of a Japanese Neofinetia society, and they had people from Seed Engei. American Fûkiran enthusiasts deserve accurate information or truth other than gibberish or some mythical Samurai nonsense.

Originally Posted by MattWoelfsen

Soon we'll get a 1,000 word posting with lots of links to inscrutable websites, explaining our erroneous and futile mis-interpretation of highly cultured Japanese--being Occidental, we lack the ability to appreciate and revere properly--Japanese customs and traditions--unless we are tutored by a Zen master--accompanied by many disclaimers of humble but honorable intention for pointing out our foolish and audacious desire to even own these plants. (run-on sentence intended, pun intended and (lol))

Someone called me a teacher, and I have repeatedly said that I am not an expert. I feel very uncomfortable. But to even somebody who clearly isn't, many of translated names look bizarre. And being a Japanese, the fact American people accepting bizarre names as some sort of facts or characteristics of Japanese culture makes me uncomfortable. The intention is clearly opposite of what you wrote. I am trying to make this (name issue) logical so people would understand.

And I have never touched on the appreciation issue. I did write that it is an area that you need a guidance to learn or become familiar, but that is different from appreciation itself. Maybe I should suggest everybody holds Kaishi (This is another wrong information from the society web page. Kaishi is not for calligraphy. It is a type of paper most often used in tea ceremony) in their mouths to appreciate Fûkiran with 火屋/Hoya covers from far afar. I do not think it was that difficult to comprehend but my verbose writing must have confused someone... I would have more appreciate constructive criticism, but clearly I was wrong (lol).

As for web sites being inscrutable, one word: Google Translate. It is ironic that the same person who attempted to translate some names couldn't think of doing it or refuse to do something simple like this. I though about translating contents, but 1. it is too much and 2. most people know about Google Translate.

You don't have to respect Japanese culture, etc., but what you wrote here may be the exact opposite of what you have written in the past. And that is why I am giggling.

[MattWoelfsen]

Laughter, or to quote you, giggle, is universal. I'm glad I was able to provide you with some mirth. You have a good day, Kentucky.

[kentaki]

Originally Posted by MattWoelfsen

Laughter, or to quote you, giggle, is universal. I'm glad I was able to provide you with some mirth. You have a good day, Kentucky.

Yes, same to you.

[rangiku]

What the meaning of the name of Neo has never held any import to me. What the plant looks like does.

[kentaki]

Originally Posted by rangiku

What the meaning of the name of Neo has never held any import to me. What the plant looks like does.

I understand, but names are often indicative of how plants (should) look like. You could make a guess based on words like Shima, Fukurin, Hime, Mame, Den, Jishi, Kôryu, etc. because those are descriptive words.

[Vanda lover]

It's odd, but I have never seen a noef. Offered for sale here, either at shows or at orchid growers. It looks like a nice, healthy little plant.