Acquiring Neofinetias Via EBay - Page 59 - Orchid Board

Jayfar · #**581** 09-10-2013, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Biochick

I tried to send you a link, but it said we had too many links!! I didn't see yours in the original thread, so I'll have to go back and find it!

Building Orientation

Notice the month to month graph of solar radiation. The red line (South) represents the southern-facing vertical surface.

Jayfar · #**582** 09-11-2013, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Red Orchid

I just brought one

Well, hopefully a good bright spot on your light cart will bring out stronger variegation on future growths of your Nishidemiyako.

A turkey in my collection is the Hokage I bought from Orchids Ltd for 120 back in early July. Supposed to have yellow and reddish variegation, but has almost no variegation. At least it popped up a late season spike and has two blooms at the moment.

"Hokage translates to 'Fire Shadow'. These produce green, yellow and red variegated leaves with ruby red root tips. The red is best expressed during the growing season in the summer months."

jeremiah.chua · #**583** 09-11-2013, 09:08 PM

The Nishidemiyako doesn't even have any variegation. I'm surprised its even being sold as Nishidemiyako.

Being given such names should be more than just lineage but whether or not the plant is even expressing the phenotypic traits it 'should' have. Charging people $35~ for those individual plants is bizarre to me.

When it comes to Neos, you should always see the plant first before purchasing. Furthermore, purchase the plants that you deem worth buying at its present state. What this means is, don't buy a neo that is "supposed to have variegation" but currently doesn't because it needs XYZ. To be honest, if its not showing what it's supposed to have already, it's probably a plant that should've been culled. Instead of being sold for a good chunk of $$.

I'm sorry to hear about your Hokage, Jayfar. I find it rather difficult to find a good looking Hokage, actually. I've seen a few in person from Seed-Engei and also from auctions and quite honestly, I'm almost never really impressed enough to WANT it. And the ones that do spark a small interest are usually priced over $150 due to the amount of growths it has. Hokage with enough variegation is beautiful. Finding those gems however is just... Difficult.

Jayfar · #**584** 09-11-2013, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by jeremiah.chua

I'm sorry to hear about your Hokage, Jayfar. I find it rather difficult to find a good looking Hokage, actually. I've seen a few in person from Seed-Engei and also from auctions and quite honestly, I'm almost never really impressed enough to WANT it. And the ones that do spark a small interest are usually priced over $150 due to the amount of growths it has. Hokage with enough variegation is beautiful. Finding those gems however is just... Difficult.

Yeah, I kind of knew that's a difficult one to find with properly variegated plumage. Actually, smaller ones that SE had put up on ebay had somewhat better variegation, but otherwise looked kind of raggedy, so I passed.

I'll tell you what I'd really like for red variegation: a good Kouen. The pic of the sold out one on SE's web catalog has some red, but doesn't really impress me so much - too spotty.

http://www.seed-engei.com/kouen0626.jpg

The one that caught my eye is the one shown at the Santa Barbara competition that was posted on the FSoA site. I imagine a Kouen of that caliber would go for many dollars though.

http://fukiransoa.weebly.com/uploads...72593_orig.jpg

Looking on SE's facebook presentation of the competition photos, they have that pic too, but apparently it somehow wasn't among the 5 winners.

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?...7116227&type=3

Here's the top 5:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...type=3&theater

jeremiah.chua · #**585** 09-11-2013, 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Jayfar

Yeah, I kind of knew that's a difficult one to find with properly variegated plumage. Actually, smaller ones that SE had put up on ebay had somewhat better variegation, but otherwise looked kind of raggedy, so I passed.

I'll tell you what I'd really like for red variegation: a good Kouen. The pic of the sold out one on SE's web catalog has some red, but doesn't really impress me so much. The one that caught my eye is the one shown at the Santa Barbara competition that was posted on the FSoA site. I imagine a Kouen of that caliber would go for many dollars though.

http://fukiransoa.weebly.com/uploads...72593_orig.jpg

The kouen from SE'd website wasn't too bad actually. To be honest with you, I was very tempted in purchasing it and when I finally said "OK", it was sold. Seems like a trend for me...

There was also one they posted up on eBay that was beautiful. I lost the bid however

I think I'm giving up on their eBay auctions. A lot look decent at best and go for WAAAAY higher than I would ever pay for such a plant. The catalog seems to be cheaper and you can actually be nit-picky about things there.
But that pic you linked is gorgeous. It looks as if every leaf, after aging, turns red with only the newest leaves being green temporarily. What beauty.

Another challenge variegated neos have is their leaf structure. Some have good variegation but the leaves look just darn awful or didn't grow symmetrical. It's quite a shame really

Jayfar · #**586** 09-12-2013, 01:05 AM

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Originally Posted by jeremiah.chua

But that pic you linked is gorgeous. It looks as if every leaf, after aging, turns red with only the newest leaves being green temporarily. What beauty.

Here's another pic of the Kouen from a lower angle I found on flickr. From the note on flickr, it seems the owner of the account also owns this plant.

Neofinetia falcata 'Koen' by cieneguitan, on Flickr

jeremiah.chua · #**587** 09-12-2013, 01:15 AM

Seeing these pics just makes me want it even more....

MattWoelfsen · #**588** 09-12-2013, 06:09 AM

I agree with you jeremiah.chua, this plant is beautiful and very unique! There is a thread on this board talking about buying an orchid just for its foliage. I think this is one I would buy just for the foliage. Is the variegation fixed on this plant or is it subject to change depending on the amount of light it gets?

Jayfar · #**589** 09-12-2013, 06:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Jayfar

FYI, orchids_limited has just added a bunch of less pricey plants to their ebay 'buy it now' selections.

Neofinetia falcata, Phragmipedium items in orchids limited store on eBay!

I wonder what the translation of Kokouden would be? Must be something spicey. Since orchids_limited has a few of them listed I wanted to check other pics around the web for comparison. However a google search for Kokouden, if you don't preface it with Neofinetia, brings up nothing but listings for Japanese adult videos.

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Oh, seems innocuous enough, according to the Orchid's Ltd description: Palace of glorious country

MattWoelfsen · #**590** 09-12-2013, 07:04 AM

Orchid Limited translates the name as "Palace of Glorious Country". But if you look at each character:
国 = country;
光 = ray (as in a ray of light)
殿 = lord (or hall or mansion or Mister or palace or temple)

I am learning that each character is modified by what proceeds it and what follows it and even in what context the kanji references. I can somewhat fathom how Orchid Ltd. got it translated as "Palace of Glorious Country"--after all, who can argue with Jason Fisher? However I can also understand why you get porn--if you let your mind head down that path.

This is why I am so fascinated with Neofinetia. Not only is it unique and I'm finding, requires a certain amount of acquired desirablity (see note below), but it has an entire set or rules and naming conventions!

Note: I went to my society meeting this Sunday, and I presented my Higashidemiyako 東出都 "East Side of Kyoto" orchid. Members spent more time asking me about Ginger's Cubby pot than about the plant itself! One member did ask why I did not bring a plant in bloom--like all the other plants presented.