Grex vs. Cultivar

[SouthPark]

Hakumin ----- one possible method of getting around uncertainty is to put a 'claimer'.

Eg. Let's just say that Neofinetia falcata 'Hisui' - (asia society) MEANS original plant and/or its CLONE/divisions that don't necessarily have same DNA but are within a subset of the falcata species having very similar traits.

Then ....... AOS could put down

Neofinetia falcata var. hisui - (AOS)

Since there are multiple systems, then indicating which system is being used can/may help avoid confusion. The hyphen followed by round brackets containing the system name can help.

So this classifies both the plants and the system.

[Hakumin]

Originally Posted by SouthPark

Hakumin ----- one possible method of getting around uncertainty is to put a 'claimer'.

Eg. Let's just say that Neofinetia falcata 'Hisui' - (asia society) MEANS original plant and/or its CLONE/divisions.

You're not understanding. Individuals labeled Neofineita falcata 'Hisui' according to the ICNCP does not need to be a clone or division of an original. A seed grown plant is just as legitimately labeled that as long as the defining characteristics are the same.

Also it's not an Asia vs AOS issue. The way cultivars are defined by the ICNCP is the method used by the majority of the horticultural world outside of orchids, including the US and Europe. The first edition of the ICNCP was published by the RHS, and later by the International Society for Horticultural Science, a global organization based in Belgium whose council and board members are from all over the world. The RHS itself is also registered as an International Cultivar Registration Authority for Orchids under the ISHS, and they concede that cultivar and grex names for orchids are governed by the ICNCP.

In any case, as I've said before. I'm not really interested in how the two systems can be reconciled. All I am interested in is that the fact that there is more than one system be known among orchid growers.

[SouthPark]

I actually understand what you mean Hakumin. I only provided an 'example'.

If there are multiple systems, then the solution will be to chat/converse under the language of that system. And if text conversations come up with topics on both systems, then including the hyphen with brackets (indicating the system or format) will help a lot to prevent confusion.

It is basically education. If using something without reading enough details from the manual, and going by assumptions/guesses ----- then things can become messed up, and chance of misunderstandings can be high.

Originally Posted by Hakumin

You're not understanding. Individuals labeled Neofineita falcata 'Hisui' according to the ICNCP does not need to be a clone or division of an original. A seed grown plant is just as legitimately labeled that as long as the defining characteristics are the same.

I'll set up a different example. Let's just assume that Neofinetia falcata 'Hisui' based on a Asia Group definition MEANS (according to that organisation) that this is a group of orchids that is considered to be a variation within a species (whatever that actually means, as it can be wishy washy itself). But let's just go with that.

Then AOS should write Neofinetia falcata var. hisui - (AOS)

And the other group --- eg. asia group, can write

Neofinetia falcata 'Hisui' - (Asia Group)

So ----- if system information is added and then used properly, it will help cut down on misunderstandings.

To be clear, when writing the asia group orchid name ----- we should write :

Neofinetia falcata 'Hisui' - (Asia Group)

We should avoid simply writing Neofinetia falcata 'Hisui'

And for AOS ..... same principle applies. That is: Neofinetia falcata var. hisui - (AOS/RHS)

Originally Posted by Hakumin

All I am interested in is that the fact that there is more than one system be known among orchid growers.

Having an interest in this is fine, and is actually very good.

At least it becomes known in the orchid community that there are needs (where it matters) for no mis-understanding when we convey an orchid name or orchid cross or orchid individual (original plant and its clones/divisions) etc.

So being clear can be important and beneficial.

Originally Posted by Shoreguy

Neof. Tamakongo

The AOS (and/or RHS etc.) equivalent is probably just:

Neof. falcata var. tamakongo

And, for international purposes, we probably could use some convention such as:

Neof. falcata var. tamakongo - (AOS/RHS)

equivalent to:

Neof. Tamakongo - (put organisation name here)

[SouthPark]

I should also add that ------ if it does matter whether the species variation is 'natural' (naturally occuring) or 'human-intervention' ...... then just some extra codeword could be added for extra information. Just depends on how deep the system goes.