Bees Bayer Systemic Pesticide

[Brooke]

"We have some classic examples of confirmation bias in this thread. The fact remains that Bayer itself has reformulated its garden products to exclude imidacloprid in at least the UK. Bayer states that the new "active ingredient is a completely different sub class to the three neonicotinoids in question and is considered to have a good profile for bees. "
If that isn't an admission by the manufacturer, then I don't know what is !!"


First of all I have followed the entire thread but thanks for the insult.

The quote from you above shows your inability to understand what a company will do when faced with the loss of one of their products. They change direction so they can continue to sell a product.

Before I bow out of this thread I will say again, the new family of insecticides that is "considered" to be more bee friendly, hasn't been determined yet.

When you answer this reply, be sure to use lots of bold type because that really convinces people to take your side.

Have a great day. I'm going to be in the greenhouse using my organic method of trying to make sure I can eliminate mealies from a couple of my Masdies because I don't enjoy having to spray over 1000 plants with an insecticide.

Brooke

Brooke

[orchidsarefun]

Originally Posted by Brooke

The quote from you above shows your inability to understand what a company will do when faced with the loss of one of their products. They change direction so they can continue to sell a product.
Before I bow out of this thread I will say again, the new family of insecticides that is "considered" to be more bee friendly, hasn't been determined yet.
Brooke

Actually this is what I said " I don't know if this is a shell game by Bayer but if it is a different subclass to the others and is not dangerous to bees, then a win for everyone !"
Evidently for some its preferable to believe the manufacturer regarding its original product and just dismiss the manufacturer's reasons when "they change direction so they can continue to sell a product"..........because the safety of the new product hasn't been determined yet !!! What about the safety of the old product ? err......surely common sense dictates that the manufacturer is going to be VERY careful with a replacement product seeing that there is so much focus on these issues by concerned people ? HD has stated that its suppliers are reformulating their products too. So should we all rise up and say, no that's not necessary - until we see scientific proof that the replacement product is safe ? Geez people...


another good example. The use of BPA in baby bottles and other plastics has either been banned outright in certain countries or companies have self-restricted its use. Maybe through consumer pressure, but honestly who cares. There is NO 100% scientific conclusive proof that its use is dangerous to babies and infants. Would you rather err on the side of caution and not buy these products or buy them until there is 100% scientific proof they are not ? Or do different morals apply when it comes to man vs. nature ?