Personal experiences with S/H (formerly The S/H NO List)

[Ray]

I also hold Ray's knowledge in high regard

HAH!!! Thanks, but that means you both are in big trouble!

As long as there is a disclaimer that clearly states that these are examples of individuals' experiences, and are not guarantees that they'll do the same for "you", because of other cultural differences and differences in individual plants, then it's passable.

Keep in mind my perspective on this: You wouldn't believe how frequently I get emails because folks read stuff on forums and assume it's "gospel", they have problems, and then blame it on semi-hydroponics (and sometime, me!). That's why I put so much free info on my website - if folks will actually read first, it will dispel the myths.

[cb977]

I'm sure you get hit with the backlash of people's disappointments

I try to say it as often as I can...what works for one person may or may not work for another. There are too many variables for that to happen...and nobody should expect it.

[goodgollymissmolly]

Hearing their experiences and accepting their experiences as factual conclusions are not one and the same. If someone says that orchid A won't grow well in SH and you later find out that they were growing the plant in the center of their house at 10% humidity and practically zero light what does that have to do with SH. It's just dizzying to me that the board would condone the existence of a list that bears no resemblance to anything that is factually verifiable. When someone states something in a post, the reader can accept or reject it. When the board sponsors a list it starts to look like something that is true...that is accepted fact.

With a large base of highly inexperienced orchid hobbyists like this board has, it seems wrong to make invalid observations look like accepted fact. It just extends the junk science that is already too pervasive.

[cb977]

Jim, you seem to be looking for an argument ...and I'm not going to do that BUT the board is not

condoning the existence of a list that bears no resemblance to anything that is factually verifiable.

We are having a discussion, which means people can...and should...ask questions. I, for one, like to know of other's experiences...I can then choose to do what I want with that information.

We all have our own opinions...and you've made yours known...as have I

Let's move on, shall we?

[goodgollymissmolly]

[QUOTE=cb977;75489]Jim, you seem to be looking for an argument ..

Excuse me! I take offense to your unfounded, unfair, and false accusation.

This thread has never been about a discussion. It's about a list of plants that do or do not work well in SH. So you choose to mis-characterize the discussion and accuse me of motives I never considered.

I simply stated my position against the collection and publication of uncontrolled data about a cultural method that you have not even defined. I certainly apologize for daring to have a opinion different from yours.

[ruthann]

One needs to take responsibility for their actions when growing plants. One individual is not a God but a Guide. The info is not gospel, it is a guide that worked. One's option to use the guide or not.

[cb977]

Jim, I don't care if somebody has an opinion that differs from mine...it's what makes the world go 'round.

I won't get into a tit-for-tat situation here or anywhere else, it's a waste of my time.

If this thread is something you are against, simply don't participate in it.

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Hopefully, this situation will end here because it's inappropriate behavior...and I apologize to everybody here for my allowing this to become what it has.

PLEASE do not reply or it will never end...on to bigger and better things

[kavanaru]

Wow Wow Wow!!! Never thought my thread would end up in such a hot discussion…

Let me clarify some points here, as I think some of you have misunderstood the whole issue

1.- The idea of the thread is not to make a bible out of it! We have a YES list, and it was of much help for me to see with which plants people had success… but I would also like to know with which ones they did not… and if possible WHY and under which conditions.
2.- A YES or a NO list are considered to be a bad idea… hhmmm… as I mentioned, we already have a YES list in OB and even at Ray’s own S/H forum (ok, not a list in the sense of putting names one after each other, but if you check the section “will this grow in S/H” that’s also a list) and both were of much help for me…
3.- No one here has pretended to discredit Ray’s or other expert’s knowledge (and yes, I think I need to say this as obviously some people think it was the case!) I think this guy has a great experience with S/H, probably more than anybody else in this forum, and I used his information before deciding to give S/H a try. I even contacted him personally, to obtain some information, and he was of great help.
4.- We are worrying because people do not read the info and then complain? That’s when you go to Walmart and buy aspirin for your headache. You take it and oops! you get an hemorrhage… then you start saying aspirin is devil’s pill and Paracetamol is better (you get no hemorrhage with it) Who should be blamed here: aspirin for producing hemorrhage or the person that takes it without reading the medical label? I would say the second, the information is there to indicate that some people under certain circumstances should not take aspirin. Hey, we are adults and should assume our responsibility in the things we do… including growing orchids! ☺
5.- hhhmmm… how was the sentence?... ach ja… “Opinions from novices that lack any factual rigor are not what I care about.” Hhhmmm… guy, do you know me? Do you know anything about my expertise? Don’t think so… I neither think you know about the expertise of many members of this forum. I did not know I had to place my CV in this forum before saying my opinion… (Comment aside: I think it is quite miserable to judge people based only on our own visceral feelings and prejudices!)
6.- Is this an open forum where all members can provide their opinion or is it only for experts? If the second is the case…well.. I think many of us are wasting our time here.

And in order to calm down those people sending private messages à la “don’t let them feel bad or think you must stay away just because of their aggressions” No, that’s not enough to keep it out of the forum (which I like a lot!) but if this discussion continues on an endless ping pong of intolerance… I have better things to do than continue playing this game…

So far, nothing else to be added from side!

[cb977]

Okay everybody...

the arguing ends here or this thread closes

[AHAB]

#3 from above "I think this guy has a great experience with S/H, probably more than anybody else in this forum,"

Hello??
Ray created the S/H approach, he is the one who coined the phrase Semi/Hydroponics .
Ray has gone through all of the hard work of trial and error to develop this method of growing.
AHAB