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Old 03-08-2021, 10:31 PM
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I only see talk of "semi-hydroponics" which is basically poor mans flood and drain, or ebb and flow system. which there are lots of "kits" you can buy and assemble.

this would work too right?

seeing that perspective,

what about nutrient film technique?

what about deep/shallow water culture?

what about aeroponics?

all timers can be adjusted to fit my particular requirements and should work, correct?
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Ebb and flood is not the same as semi-hydroponics. In SH a layer of water is left in the pot, and the plants' roots grow in nearly constant presence of water, without being completely submerged in water (full hydroponics). With ebb and flood the growing table is indeed flooded, but generally only for a few minutes at a time, and the table is drained and remains empty until the following watering, which can be up to several days later. Most traditionally grown (with soil) pot plants are cultivated on ebb and flood tables.

You can fiddle around with NFT, DWC or aeroponic systems if you like, but they are very technical and difficult to get right, though in theory nearly all plants can be grown in those systems. One major drawback is the sharing of water and the potential for sharing pathogens between plants, even with a water disinfection system. For short cycle food crops (like leafy greens or herbs) it's easy enough to toss everything, disinfect everything and start over, but with orchids, I wouldn't accept the risks.
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Semi-hydroponics can be simply described as a passive hydroponic technique.
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Old 03-09-2021, 10:12 AM
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When growing hemp, I like to keep a mother plant, bonsai style, in soilless mixture, to propagate clones from, and she will live almost indefinitely as long as I do not induce flowering by changing the light cycle.

Is there anything wrong with not letting an orchid flower for longer periods of time in hopes of producing a bigger bloom when it does flower?

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Really, main question.

Will orchids absorb more nutrients through hydroponic techniques than they would naturally?

This is the case with what I am accustomed to.

If not there there is no need for hydroponics less ease of watering

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And in the case of semi hydroponics, air stone is not needed in leftover resivior?
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Is there anything wrong with not letting an orchid flower for longer periods of time in hopes of producing a bigger bloom when it does flower?
Different orchid types have different cues for flowering, and not all are as easy as simply adjusting photoperiod. In many cases I'm not ever sure if the cues are known or can be easily manipulated. I know that what you propose has been tested with Phals, where the bloom trigger is a general reduction of temperature. Phals can be maintained in a vegetative state by maintaining temps about 26-27°C (or in that general range), make more biomass in this period, and once allowed to bloom the plants tended to produced more spikes and more blooms (and not so much larger blooms).
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Old 03-09-2021, 11:17 AM
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Well that may be one of my goals as an orchid grower. Learn flowing cues and see if I can prove them experiment style. Although I started with two phals, paphs really interest me, as well as vandas, also leafless orchids are rather interesting
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Semi-hydro is a very simple form of hydroponics yes. All the principles of hydroponics should still apply, using inorganic media, providing lots of air and providing all nutrients regularly with the water.

The main disadvantage has been pointed out by camille using recirculating systems. Diseases will spread amongst orchids as they are spread via water.

Otherwise they would work great but what most people resort to using is using mistking sprayer systems that rain on the orchids from above. There are a few members I have seen use this with great success.

I use self watering pots which I would recommend you have a look at too.

I tried flood and drain for some orchids once but I gave u rather quickly, they tend to outgrow their space and the maintenance long term doesn't seem worth it.

Ebb and flow is good for fast growing plants, less so for slow growing plants, like the system will still algae up as fast but the plants will be growing so much slower so it will seem like excessive work for little reward using ebb and flow.

As to stopping flowering on phals to produce bigger blooms the following year - yes this has been done but more by accident from what I gather.

I have seen a picture of a phal that was taller than a small mexican man.
The way they did this was to prevent the phal blooming 2 years straight by providing excess temperatures.

In orchids there has not been much research done on the lighting hours, I suspect lighting hours can delay flowering too but we do know that high temperatures inhibit flowering on phals.

Commercial nurseries use this to their advantage and grow phals over 26 degrees C - this promotes vegetative growth, once they want them to flower they lower temps and the phal is allowed to start flowering.

As to your question on whether orchids will absorb more nutrients using hydroponics - in theory yes - but there is a big BUT associated with it. Most of the time when you switch an orchid grown in bark to hydroponics the plant will suffer stress and set the lant back. It's not uncommon for a plant to be stressed like this to sulk for a good year. So in theory yes but in practice you will find that initially you will have to deal with the associated stress too! For me hydropnics is worth it long term but I understand hydroponics well and you probably know too that soil is more forgiving - hydroponics needs to be more accurate in the nutrients we provide or deficiencies will show more readily. So in theory yes, but in practice it is in fact far easier to make things worse.

Another thing to consider is that orchids as a general rule need 1/10 of nutrients than most other plants. Nutrients are just as important but just in far smaller quantities.
Most would use tap water for a hydroponic system which contains all the calcium that most plants need.
But for orchids this is 10x too much.
So tap water and hydroponics is a big no no for me when it comes to orchids making having big reservoirs of RO or rain water a further hassle putting people off the idea.

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yea my tap water is around 450ppm straight from the faucet

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yes, soil if very forgiving. it usually gives you time to diagnose problems well before they kill the entire plant. there are also alot more variables in soil.

hydroponics is known in, known out. i can make educated decisions on those known variables
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Would you all consider sub irrigated planters and self-watering systems "semi hydro" ? Other than the media, it's the same thing. Water underneath wicks up.
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i would. lol, dont know about anybody else. hell, i think semi-hydro is the same as ebb and flow, but i dont know a thing about orchids yet!
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