Microfeeding Bacteria to Orchids

[spes1959@gmail.com]

Originally Posted by Ray

The manufacturer recommends 2 ounces per gallon (1:64) applied every 2-3 weeks, but my recommendation (and practice) is to do that for 2-3 applications at first, to get the population “pumped up”, then I drop to 1/2 that, applied once a month.

Ray your Quantum total is not in Europe or at least I can't find it. Do you have some information about it because I would like to try it

[thefish1337]

I haven't found quantum total to work nearly as well as inocucor did. However, I've been able to get inocucor from arbico-organics so all is well. I'm also trialing a product called Tribus which is one of the better bangs for the buck in terms of concentration, its only 3 species but it has produced a notable effect on my orchids, seedlings in particular. treating a compot with tribus produced a huge burst of thicker and fatter roots within 3 weeks applied at 0.5mL per gallon every week or so.

In my experience quantum total is an OK microbial product. It hasn't been able to rescue plants from rot like inocucor has for me. I haven't seen nearly as much as a growth enhancing effect like I have with tribus or inocucor. Quantum also didn't work nearly as well on my tomato and pepper seedlings. I have trialed quantum for over 1 year at this point.

[spes1959@gmail.com]

Originally Posted by thefish1337

I haven't found quantum total to work nearly as well as inocucor did. However, I've been able to get inocucor from arbico-organics so all is well. I'm also trialing a product called Tribus which is one of the better bangs for the buck in terms of concentration, its only 3 species but it has produced a notable effect on my orchids, seedlings in particular. treating a compot with tribus produced a huge burst of thicker and fatter roots within 3 weeks applied at 0.5mL per gallon every week or so.

In my experience quantum total is an OK microbial product. It hasn't been able to rescue plants from rot like inocucor has for me. I haven't seen nearly as much as a growth enhancing effect like I have with tribus or inocucor. Quantum also didn't work nearly as well on my tomato and pepper seedlings. I have trialed quantum for over 1 year at this point.

Thank you, but can I find TRIBUS in Europe?

[Ray]

Originally Posted by thefish1337

I haven't found quantum total to work nearly as well as inocucor did. However, I've been able to get inocucor from arbico-organics so all is well. I'm also trialing a product called Tribus which is one of the better bangs for the buck in terms of concentration, its only 3 species but it has produced a notable effect on my orchids, seedlings in particular. treating a compot with tribus produced a huge burst of thicker and fatter roots within 3 weeks applied at 0.5mL per gallon every week or so.

In my experience quantum total is an OK microbial product. It hasn't been able to rescue plants from rot like inocucor has for me. I haven't seen nearly as much as a growth enhancing effect like I have with tribus or inocucor. Quantum also didn't work nearly as well on my tomato and pepper seedlings. I have trialed quantum for over 1 year at this point.

The two seem to fill two different niches, using two methods.

Inocucor is a better curative product, and works primarily from the post-fermentation secretions that are in the bottle.

Quantum-Total seems to be better as a preventive, and tends to work more through the microbes populating the plant and rhizosphere. It also has the benefit of photosynthetic and nitrogen-fixing species to feed and fuel the plant without it expending its own resources to do so; Inocucor does not have those.

I don't think you can go wrong with any of the probiotic products.

[thefish1337]

not in the EU anymore but a few stores in England sell tribus. Impello Biosciences

they have 10^10 cfu/mL so even though 250mL seems expensive their application rates are 0.125-1 mL per liter.

[spes1959@gmail.com]

thank you

[thefish1337]

Originally Posted by Ray

The two seem to fill two different niches, using two methods.

Inocucor is a better curative product, and works primarily from the post-fermentation secretions that are in the bottle.

Quantum-Total seems to be better as a preventive, and tends to work more through the microbes populating the plant and rhizosphere. It also has the benefit of photosynthetic and nitrogen-fixing species to feed and fuel the plant without it expending its own resources to do so; Inocucor does not have those.

I don't think you can go wrong with any of the probiotic products.

I'm not saying quantum total doesn't work but trials in my garden and on my orchid collection has shown me that inocucor is better as both a preventative and a curative. According to your own post inocucor contains Rhodopsudamonas palastrus the photosynthetic bacteria you speak of. In the mixture of organisms you listed, both B. subtilis and R. palastrus are able to fix nitrogen.

Capsicum chinense seeds are notorious for long germination times, especially if old. Inocucor drastically shortens germination time and reduces duds with a seed soak. I just haven't seen that with quantum.

[Dusty Ol' Man]

Originally Posted by Ray

The manufacturer recommends 2 ounces per gallon (1:64) applied every 2-3 weeks, but my recommendation (and practice) is to do that for 2-3 applications at first, to get the population “pumped up”, then I drop to 1/2 that, applied once a month.

I know this is an older thread, but does this work in S/H with a fresh flush every few days? It seems to me the flush would remove much of the bacteria. I flush with pure rainwater. I do fertilize once a week and use Kelpmax once a month.

[Ray]

Originally Posted by Dusty Ol' Man

I know this is an older thread, but does this work in S/H with a fresh flush every few days? It seems to me the flush would remove much of the bacteria. I flush with pure rainwater. I do fertilize once a week and use Kelpmax once a month.

You are assuming the microbes stay in the solution. They don't; they populate the plant and the medium for the most part.

[Dusty Ol' Man]

Thanks for the clarification. I plan to get started with this regimen tomorrow.