paph crosses with appendix 1 parents

[professor plant]

I have asked a few collectors and received some mixed answers, hopefully someone can give me a clear answer.

Is it legal AND awardable by the AOS for Paph crosses that have a protected/ restricted species in them? For example, if I by a P. Chiu Hua Dancer, that has a gigantifolium parent, which as far as I know is still an Appendix 1 species that is not available as US seed raised stock, can I get that plant awarded by the AOS?

Would I have to prove the origin of one or both parents before the cross was established, or will it just be rejected?

or: If I buy a cross that has anitum in it, is that permissable for an award?

or even further: Is anitum considered to be a variety of an adductum, and therefore awardable and legal, or is it consider its own species, and therefore not? I see many lists showing it both ways and I did not see specific species listed on CITES, nor did I see anything about hybrids there of.

I am curious, because I would like to invest in some more paphs, of the mentioned varities, and I do not want ot sell myself short.

I appreciate any and all feedback from growers who have already gone down this road with paphs.

Chad

[eggshells]

Taken directly from the AOS website:

UPDATE:
Judging Legal and Illegal Plants1

Paphiopedilum gigantifolium2 and its hybrids — they are considered legal ONLY if they can be connected to a receipt from Piping Rock Orchids.

Paphiopedilum hangianum is simple — NO hybrids are legal and the only species plants that are legal were brought into this country in July of last year. They were mature plants and could be flowering soon.

Paphiopedilum vietnamense and helenae — all are considered legal

Paphiopedilum wenshanense are considered legal because they entered the country during a period where they were considered to be x Paph. conco-bellatulum

Sources:
Judging Legal and Illegal Plants

[Stray59]

eggshells:
WOW - good answer! And Prof. Plant - I had never given protected plants a second thought when it came to breeding! It never crossed my mind that this would come into play for judging or likewise. Thanks for posting a very interesting and informative question!
Steve

[ronaldhanko]

Very interesting post!

[professor plant]

So I emailed a vendor about a paph anitum that was for sale. I asked if I were to purchase it, if paperwork could be provided. He said that paph anitum is now accepted as paph anitum var. adductum. There was nothing to reference this, but I found it interesting that this can be said; before purchase.

[Stray59]

I don't understand - sorry for being thick about this, but is he saying there is a variety that is not on the protected list or is he saying that as the name was changed it is not on the list?
Steve

[eggshells]

Paphiopedilum adductum came into trade just before the (1989?) CITES embargo meaning the current plants that are already collected/seed propagated are legal. However, Paphiopedilum anitum was discovered after that embargo in which makes it not legal since the Republic of the Philippines had not issued CITES permit for that particular species. Now, it is hotly debated whether paph anitum is its own species or a variety of adductum. If the former is true then this species is not legal and if its the latter, then it is considered legal since it is just a variety of a species before CITES banned the importation of paphiopedilum.

I have talked to Andres Golamco about his opinion about paphiopedilum anitum and according to him, he thinks it is on its own species. I tend to agree with him on that because the leaves, and the flower structure is completely different. I am not a taxonomist so my opinion does not count and will not argue with anyone who thinks its a variety or its own species.

[RJSquirrel]

the only reason I can think of the AOS adopting this stance is that it has been found recently that a lot of illegal plants are working their way into the US orchid societys paph collections. If they had just a few where they could inform the ones in violation that they best take the plant home I think they would have done that and probably did so many times before they posted these rules. You dont see many of those listed paphs either. Im sure there are a few who have them and know very well they arent suppose to trade in them. I cant imagine anyone with one of these not knowing its an illegal plant. Makes you wonder even more who would show up with one for judging.


amazing facts from fiction!!!

[Rowangreen]

So the plant Professor Plant is being offered is probably ilegal or mislabeled... either way not a good idea to get it, and definitely not a good idea to show it.