a blue real phal

[dendro photo]

Originally Posted by Call_Me_Bob

Read the link I posted. It's P. amabillis the blue genes come from Asiatic Dawflowers

People don't reed a entire post I have and that is exactly what thought had been done. I just could not find the entire wright up. But do you agree with the timeline I set forth'assuming they are viable seed'?

[PaphMadMan]

The gene transfer from a non-orchid blue flower is certainly possible, so I see no reason to doubt that.

The photo has obviously been altered, but the blue tones in the stems and all tissues of the flower is probably becasue the gene is expressed constantly in all tissues in the plant. Transferriing a gene is easy, transferring normal control of the gene to express only in certain floral tissues is not.

It can breed true only if the gene has been intergrated with DNA in the germ-line tissues of the plant. That is far from certain.

[NYCorchidman]

Originally Posted by Vanda lover

There is someone on ebay who is selling seeds from rare blue orchids that he claims he grows on his farm in Tennessee. The photos he has show dyed Phals and dens. I sent a message to tell him that he is unethical and that these orchids are dyed and he sent one back to tell be that I should try growing some of his seeds before I throw stones.

Yeah, by the time you see the flowers, he's probably far away!

What a coocoo!

[Call_Me_Bob]

Originally Posted by dendro photo

People don't reed a entire post I have and that is exactly what thought had been done. I just could not find the entire wright up. But do you agree with the timeline I set forth'assuming they are viable seed'?

Assuming its something that is breed able, then yes I agree with the timing your mentioned. However I cry much hope that it is NOT breed able! That it has to be done in the lab, and that it will NEVER be able to be introduced into breeding lines! Why you ask? Because I feel like it shortcuts all the work we as breeders do, it's an unnatural way to attain that which we are passionate about creating by natural means. Without using a lab and splicing genes from plants that are not related.

[Vanda lover]

I believe it is certainly possible to create blue orchids through genetics. I once bought some bright pink danio fish that glow under a black light and I found out that they have jellyfish D.N.A.
But it will be easier to believe the blue orchids once they have been on the market for a while.
The idiot on Ebay has seeds from the dyed ones. He just calls them rare orchids. I guess they are so rare that they have no name.

[Aki_James]

I must say I find it rather disturbing. The flowers just don't look right and the pelorics gross me out..to me this is man truly trying to play god...

Its one thing to use selective breeding to achieve desired results in colour,form, shape so on and so forth as many creatures do this themselves by natural means....But I prefer my orchids to be orchids.

Such a beautiful and diverse plethora of plants that are amongst the most extraordinary and unique in the plant kingdom a true miracle of evolution and adaptation and the best we can do is this!

No true orchid lover or nature lover of any kind is a part of this.....I think its shameful to see any living thing perverted in such a manner.....

Oh great now I sound like some sort of orchid activist....perhaps I shall just walk away from this one before I feel the need to fly to Japan and dispose of this monstrosity myself.

[Andrew]

Originally Posted by dendro photo

I figured it would only be a bit of time till it happen so I assume it is real. I figure if it is, it will still take 3-4 years till they hit the market and they will not be cheep for at least .

I'd give it at least 5 years to enter the cut flower market. I don't see it entering the pot plant market anytime soon if at all.

[lepetitmartien]

I mostly agree with Bob and James, it's W-R-O-N-G.

There a natural means to achieve things and the search is as important as the aim. This is one point.

Another is the GMO techniques as Bob hinted are rather crude, and positively they bomb DNA like you can bomb an ice cream with a full aircraft carrier. It makes a mess. All right, the resulting plant can live but its DNA and the gene expression is crippled for good and they don't control where the sequences are introduced and how. It means it can cut in two other sequences that are of importance like structural genes or defense systems. It's just like any GMO outside the laboratory (some are useful there, be it for research or drugs).

We don't know how it is crippled. And they induce something outside the genera into a botanic line. This is bad and a big misdirection of research. Right now, a lot of orchid species are in danger, some are even extinct, their habitats too are dwindling, this is where money research should go, not into creating oh-I-played-god-again-how-clever-am-I playthings.

Rainforests, primary forests, other natural landscapes are dwindling, orchid poaching is on the go, that's the issues, the real ones, not a b…y blue phal for mom at the supermarket.

(and this goes for all GMO crops/animals not confined to lab use too)

(In case you wonder, I'm

[Becka]

Originally Posted by Vanda lover

There is someone on ebay who is selling seeds from rare blue orchids that he claims he grows on his farm in Tennessee. The photos he has show dyed Phals and dens. I sent a message to tell him that he is unethical and that these orchids are dyed and he sent one back to tell be that I should try growing some of his seeds before I throw stones.

I would have told him that I would be happy to if he sent it to me for free.

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Originally Posted by lepetitmartien

I mostly agree with Bob and James, it's W-R-O-N-G.

There a natural means to achieve things and the search is as important as the aim. This is one point.

Another is the GMO techniques as Bob hinted are rather crude, and positively they bomb DNA like you can bomb an ice cream with a full aircraft carrier. It makes a mess. All right, the resulting plant can live but its DNA and the gene expression is crippled for good and they don't control where the sequences are introduced and how. It means it can cut in two other sequences that are of importance like structural genes or defense systems. It's just like any GMO outside the laboratory (some are useful there, be it for research or drugs).

We don't know how it is crippled. And they induce something outside the genera into a botanic line. This is bad and a big misdirection of research. Right now, a lot of orchid species are in danger, some are even extinct, their habitats too are dwindling, this is where money research should go, not into creating oh-I-played-god-again-how-clever-am-I playthings.

Rainforests, primary forests, other natural landscapes are dwindling, orchid poaching is on the go, that's the issues, the real ones, not a b…y blue phal for mom at the supermarket.

(and this goes for all GMO crops/animals not confined to lab use too)

(In case you wonder, I'm

This reminds me of what they do to Oranda Goldfish. I used to own one (then I learned about the GM). Basically they are GM to produce the appearance that they have. All the modifications create skeletal malformations in the mouth area. A lot of them can't even close their mouths or eat properly. This leads to a slow death from malnourishment. I have urged my pet store to stop carrying them (but haven't had much luck so far). These types of things truly disgust me.

Sorry if I am a bit off topic.

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Originally Posted by Aki_James

No true orchid lover or nature lover of any kind is a part of this.....I think its shameful to see any living thing perverted in such a manner.....

I agree!

Originally Posted by Aki_James

Oh great now I sound like some sort of orchid activist....perhaps I shall just walk away from this one before I feel the need to fly to Japan and dispose of this monstrosity myself.

We might end up bumping into each other over there. LOL

[Vanda lover]

Becka, getting the seeds for free wouldn't accomplish anything other than costing the man the price of the seeds and shipping. Germinating them isn't as simple as putting them in the ground, as he implies.
We have attempted to put in a complaint with ebay but they make it difficult