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Old 12-07-2012, 03:42 PM
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True, but as you know, there are plenty of classic novelty hybrids that aren't really those hybrids by today's standards. An example would be George Vasquez, which is registered as (Luedde-violacea x violacea). However, it is now highly suspected that the "lueddemanniana" in Luedde-violacea was really a pulchra. This easily happened because long ago when this hybrid was made, pulchra was considered a variety of lueddemanniana. Probably the more common instance of this would be the violacea/bellina issue. They were both once considered the same species, so even though a lot of hybrids were registered with violacea listed as the parent, violacea var. Borneo a.k.a. bellina, was usually preferred and used.
Since many of these issues run faaaaaaar back in time, its impossible in some cases to tell which species was really used in a more complex hybrid. This is the main reason I would like to remake some classical hybrids from the ground up. It would give me the chance to not only use parents with much better quality, but also let me make it with the species it was registered with. George Vasquez is one of the few classics I would like to make, as well as Yungho Gelb Canary.

jsut something to note on that, for hybrids that have questionable parentage, such as George Vasquez or the violacea/bellina things, if you remake them with clean parents. that will be great and we will know exactly what they are made of. however, we also may not have the same hybrid, if indeed the parentage is fuzzy, then using the supposed parents to re-create it wont actually get you the same thing
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