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Jayfar 09-14-2011 08:37 AM

Light requirements - peak or average footcandles?
 
One question I've never seen answered definitively: when we see a particular requirement in footcandles specified for an orchid, does this refer peak mid-day levels of natural light or levels averaged through the day? For instance for a phal needing 1000 fc, would 12-14 hours at a constant 500 fc of artificial lighting (say at 5500K) be sufficient?

Paul Mc 09-14-2011 08:45 AM

I wouldn't personally think so. I think that generally ranges are better indicators. Phals need between 1000-1500fc's and can in some instances (depending upon if it's morning sun, afternoon sun or evening) can take more. Under grow lights, I would personally aim for the higher end of the spectrum.

Hopefully Ray can answer this as he specializes in grow lights.

camille1585 09-14-2011 10:20 AM

I think it would work. Light intensity outside is not the same over the course of a day, so a steady lightsource is going to be a long stronger than the average intensity outside for that orchid over the course of a day.

I remember that this was discussed here a while back, with any luck I can dig up the thread.

Jayfar 09-14-2011 12:16 PM

This reference would tell me what I need to know, if only I could determine the PAR factor for my 5500K CFL bulbs.

http://www.extension.purdue.edu/extm...O/HO-238-W.pdf

According to the chart, phals need an Average DLI (Daily Light Integral measured in Moles/Day) in the range of 4 to 10 (4 for good quality growing, but up to 10 for high quality).

The PAR factor (photosynthetically active radiation) isn't easy to google, as searches think PAR is a reference to parabolic reflector.

EDIT: Even though my bulbs aren't Sylvania, it looks like I can use a PAR factor of .014 for daylight CFLs.

http://assets.sylvania.com/assets/do...b1859b3bd1.pdf

or not, I'm thinking I'm getting my formulae crossed.

Oh, I overlooked this: To obtain conversion factors from lm/ft2 (footcandles) to μmol·s-1·m-2, multiply the above factors by 10.8

camille1585 09-14-2011 01:11 PM

:shock: :faint: :faint: Much too technical for me!

Paul Mc 09-14-2011 06:08 PM

LOL... Me too! However, Camille you make a great point about the light. Something for me to consider now that most of my orchids are back inside.

camille1585 09-14-2011 06:18 PM

But as to one of the original questions about recommended fc being expressed as the maximum or the average over a day, I don't know.

Eyebabe 09-14-2011 06:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jayfar (Post 436248)
This reference would tell me what I need to know, if only I could determine the PAR factor for my 5500K CFL bulbs.

http://www.extension.purdue.edu/extm...O/HO-238-W.pdf

According to the chart, phals need an Average DLI (Daily Light Integral measured in Moles/Day) in the range of 4 to 10 (4 for good quality growing, but up to 10 for high quality).

The PAR factor (photosynthetically active radiation) isn't easy to google, as searches think PAR is a reference to parabolic reflector.

EDIT: Even though my bulbs aren't Sylvania, it looks like I can use a PAR factor of .014 for daylight CFLs.

http://assets.sylvania.com/assets/do...b1859b3bd1.pdf

or not, I'm thinking I'm getting my formulae crossed.

Oh, I overlooked this: To obtain conversion factors from lm/ft2 (footcandles) to μmol·s-1·m-2, multiply the above factors by 10.8

O I love this stuff!

I can follow it....but not instigate it :blushing:
Sadly, my mind is not that good anymore.
When you come to the final equation of course that is my main interest. And I'm most appreciative of your work :bowing

DavidCampen 09-14-2011 10:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jayfar (Post 436248)
This reference would tell me what I need to know, if only I could determine the PAR factor for my 5500K CFL bulbs.

http://www.extension.purdue.edu/extm...O/HO-238-W.pdf

According to the chart, phals need an Average DLI (Daily Light Integral measured in Moles/Day) in the range of 4 to 10 (4 for good quality growing, but up to 10 for high quality).

By my calculation, 1 mole of photons with a wavelength of 630 nm (red light) has an energy content of 53 watt-hour. So, your range of 4 to 10 moles would be 0.2 kWh to 0.5 kWh. If your light source was 20% efficient at converting electrical power into red light then it would require an electrical energy input of 1 kWh to 2.5 kWh to produce the 4 to 10 moles of photons.

DavidCampen 09-15-2011 12:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DavidCampen (Post 436383)
By my calculation, 1 mole of photons with a wavelength of 630 nm (red light) has an energy content of 53 watt-hour. So, your range of 4 to 10 moles would be 0.2 kWh to 0.5 kWh. If your light source was 20% efficient at converting electrical power into red light then it would require an electrical energy input of 1 kWh to 2.5 kWh to produce the 4 to 10 moles of photons.

So to expand on this. Let us take the 10 mole value that I calcualte is equal to 0.5 kWh and convert that into foot-candles.

From the Perdue reference this 10 mol (0.5 kWh) figure is per square meter per day.

A square meter is approximately 10 square feet so the energy requirement is one-tenth of the 0.5 kWh or 50 watt-hours. Since this is over a ten hour period then the energy flux is 5 watts per square foot. A Candela is 1.46 milliWatt per square foot so 5 watts per square foot is 3,400 Candela or 3,400 foot-candle.


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