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Subrosa 12-24-2015 08:24 AM

Source of Decorative Glass SH Pots?
 
My recent entry into sh culture has proven very successful so far, with most of the plants showing some new root growth and all looking good foliage wise. One is even spiking! I love being able to watch the root growth in the clear containers. But it seems to me there is a glaring hole in the sh system in regards to pots. The commercial pots I've seen are pretty much nursery pots, very utilitarian but hardly worth a look on their own. And being made of plastic, their time on earth will be far shortened on stuff like my Cymbidium that see lots of direct sun, regardless of any UV blocking additives. Does anyone know of a source of glass pots with proper drain holes for sh? I have several pieces that I picked up at thrift stores and garage sales and drilled myself, but the process is tedious and the risk of breakage is considerable, depending upon the thickness of the glass. Anyone?

Ray 12-24-2015 09:47 AM

No one makes such a pot commercially.

However, drilling glass isn't all that difficult, if you use a couple of tricks.

1. Carbide-tipped masonry bits are usable, but if you can find a diamond drill bit or hole bit, that's even better.

2. Do the drilling underwater. Not only does the water keep the glass cool to prevent thermal shock, but the water molecules actually bond with broken ionic sites within the glass structure, exposed during the drilling process. That also reduces the stress that can lead to breakage.

3. Take it slow!

Subrosa 12-24-2015 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Ray (Post 785025)
No one makes such a pot commercially.

However, drilling glass isn't all that difficult, if you use a couple of tricks.

1. Carbide-tipped masonry bits are usable, but if you can find a diamond drill bit or hole bit, that's even better.

2. Do the drilling underwater. Not only does the water keep the glass cool to prevent thermal shock, but the water molecules actually bond with broken ionic sites within the glass structure, exposed during the drilling process. That also reduces the stress that can lead to breakage.

3. Take it slow!

I have the process down pat Ray, I've drilled countless aquariums, many with fish in them! Invariably the ones I enjoyed drilling most were those where somebody was paying me by the hour as opposed to a flat rate per hole! Most of the stuff I find reasonably priced is too thin and very prone to cracking when the bit finally gets through. The ones that make for "easy" drilling are few and far between, and easy in in quotes for a reason! 1/4" and thicker glass takes FOREVER to get through! I think I might see if I can find a local glass blower or maybe an art school student and see what can be done.

gngrhill 12-24-2015 07:07 PM

that sounds like a good idea. I would be interested in the results of your inquires

Ray 12-25-2015 08:20 AM

One of the potential pitfalls with art glass or student-made stuff is that they may-, or may not be sufficiently annealed.

gngrhill 12-25-2015 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Ray (Post 785086)
One of the potential pitfalls with art glass or student-made stuff is that they may-, or may not be sufficiently annealed.

My newbie is showing again. What does that mean ?

Ray 12-26-2015 08:01 AM

Molten glass is a fluid with a VERY high viscosity. It also has a fairly high thermal expansion. When you make a glass item, and it begins to cool, the body doesn't necessarily cool uniformly, and due to that high viscosity, the stresses that causes are not dissipated. In large-scale commercial production, the items are passed through an annealing lehr that heats the glass sufficiently to "relax" the glass and permit those stresses to dissipate, then cooled very slowly so they cool uniformly and don't redevelop.

Even if there are some residual stresses, it's no problem just sitting there, but do anything that adds stress (dropping it), or provides a point of stress release (a scratch or drilling), and it can all be released, catastrophically.

PaphMadMan 12-26-2015 09:03 AM

I'm familiar enough with repair of laboratory glassware to know there are ways even a hobby or student glass blower can help make sure a piece is annealed to relieve the worst of the stress at least. Discuss that concern with someone and they should know if they can make a piece that isn't too prone to breakage.

Optimist 12-26-2015 11:15 AM

I have looked around for interesting semi-hydro pots that look nice in a "living room" and have usually gone to plastic like acrylics or fiberglass because you can drill those holes. Something you can also do is to get a cashe pot and put some rocks on the bottom so the dribbles come out of the holes and dribble into the cashe pot. Just think of the cashe pot as a ultra deep saucer.

Ray 12-26-2015 04:06 PM

I take - what is to me - the easy way out: I use plastic, non-decorative S/H pots, and I put them in decorative covers. Far less work that trying to create decorative ones, and far less expensive, as the S/H pots are cheap, and the covers can be reused.

I have used plastic, metal, wicker, pottery, cork tubes, and yes, glass, to achieve a nice appearance for the room.

Optimist 01-31-2016 09:25 PM

This is true, Ray. I love the pot cover type pots. You can have an unsightly pot and hide it. I think for people with orchids that photosynthasis from the roots might like a clear pot to get light to the roots. A pot with pearced holes might be a good choice. I have not gone beyond going down to Hobby lobby to look at the lantern or candle holders either. You can get some nice looking candle holders and just re-purpose them as a pot cover.

Rothrock42 02-12-2016 11:00 PM

I've had good look finding glassware at a liquidators store we have. They have all kinds of overstock items from restaurants, hotels, etc.

The glass doesn't have the appropriate drainage holes, but since it is fairly cheap the risk of it breaking when trying to drill it isn't all that high. (I haven't had the nerve to drill yet, but might soon.)

Another technique for cutting a glass bottle or cylinder is called "cracking off" and is an ancient technique that seems pretty easy. I've seen some crazy videos online that look risky and require a lot of specialized tools. While I haven't tried it yet, I would probably follow this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2a-DiTdC_g

Basically, use a glass cutter to make a small nick where I want the glass cut. (None of this have to score all the way around the vessel.) And then use a lazy susan or old turn table to spin the bottle while using a small blow torch to heat it. Of course the cut will be sharp and would need sanding.

I'm getting all kinds of ideas....

estación seca 02-13-2016 12:26 AM

Wear polycarbonate goggles.

gumbii 03-30-2016 02:13 PM

i've been drilling myself... although, i have a friend that has a kiln and makes porcelain and stonewear (sp?) plant containers... he made me a couple of orchid pots that are perfect for small SH plants... let me dig up the pics on my instagram....


here's one i drilled for a paph... was 1.50 at walmart...

https://scontent-lax3-1.cdninstagram...OTQzNA%3D%3D.2

here's two ceramic pots i drilled into, they used to house two orchid seedlings i rescued from lowes...

https://scontent-lax3-1.cdninstagram...ODYwMQ%3D%3D.2

and... i can't find a picture only a video... sorry for the music...

https://scontent-lax3-1.cdninstagram...18060566_n.mp4

Mandy2705 03-30-2016 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by gumbii (Post 798095)
i've been drilling myself... although, i have a friend that has a kiln and makes porcelain and stonewear (sp?) plant containers... he made me a couple of orchid pots that are perfect for small SH plants... let me dig up the pics on my instagram....





here's one i drilled for a paph... was 1.50 at walmart...



https://scontent-lax3-1.cdninstagram...OTQzNA%3D%3D.2



here's two ceramic pots i drilled into, they used to house two orchid seedlings i rescued from lowes...



https://scontent-lax3-1.cdninstagram...ODYwMQ%3D%3D.2



and... i can't find a picture only a video... sorry for the music...



https://scontent-lax3-1.cdninstagram...18060566_n.mp4



I grow all my orchid inside and I just love what you were able to do with the ceramic cache pots. I saw the video too and it's just wonderful. Does your friend sell online?

gumbii 03-30-2016 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Mandy2705 (Post 798151)
I grow all my orchid inside and I just love what you were able to do with the ceramic cache pots. I saw the video too and it's just wonderful. Does your friend sell online?

um... i don't know if he sells online... but i think you can reach them on facebook... let me send him a text...

daddydoall 05-31-2016 12:07 PM

Has anyone tried using an acetylene torch?


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