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bil 12-20-2015 06:37 AM

Den Nobile advice.
 
OK, I have been winding the den nobs down as one by one they cease growing and show the last leaf on the cane. That will signal RO water only, and at a reduced level in the hope of encouraging flowers, not keikis.

Trouble is, a couple have decided to skip winter and go straight to spring, because they are starting to throw flower buds along the sides of some of their canes.

That makes me think that perhaps they shouldn't get a rest after all but go back to their weak fertiliser dose?

Advice would be appreciated.

Poohbie 12-20-2015 06:55 AM

I don't water or fertilize until I see new growth unless the canes look quite shrivelled then I water a bit

bil 12-20-2015 08:16 AM

Well, as I say, that's m' plan, but what about the ones that are throwing flower buds?

Also is it OK to cut off the old shrivelled canes that bloomed last year, or are they still providing function?

WhiteRabbit 12-20-2015 08:52 PM

Previously bloomed canes may bloom again if there are unbloomed nodes, and support the plant overall (they are in effect like pbulbs).
I would at the very least not withhold water from spiking plants.

Fairorchids 12-21-2015 06:27 AM

Fhe point is REDUCED watering, not bone dry (I reserve tgat for aggregatum). You should give them a little water every 10 days or so.

bil 12-21-2015 06:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Fairorchids (Post 784709)
Fhe point is REDUCED watering, not bone dry (I reserve tgat for aggregatum). You should give them a little water every 10 days or so.

So no fertiliser, reduced water and that applies even tho they are coming into flower?

My Green Pets 12-21-2015 09:23 PM

This sounds exactly what I would say for a winter-blooming catasetum type. Reduced water to keep the cane from shriveling too much, but not so much as to spur growth, as nobile needs her beauty sleep ;)

theflyingkitty 12-28-2015 03:41 PM

Since this seems like a good thread to jump on...

This is the first winter I"ve had mine. They sent up plenty of new stalks and such durring the summer outside, but now that I"ve brought them in, sooooo many leaves are turning yellow as well as some of the stalks. The new kikie's aren't too shribbly (though have stopped growing) and all the main stalks are raiseny, even if green.

I'm not really sure what's normal for them.

bil 12-29-2015 05:58 AM

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Originally Posted by theflyingkitty (Post 785450)
Since this seems like a good thread to jump on...

This is the first winter I"ve had mine. They sent up plenty of new stalks and such durring the summer outside, but now that I"ve brought them in, sooooo many leaves are turning yellow as well as some of the stalks. The new kikie's aren't too shribbly (though have stopped growing) and all the main stalks are raiseny, even if green.

I'm not really sure what's normal for them.

Well, the trick with them to stop the fertiliser routine once the new canes have stopped growing. The key is that they have stopped when the new cane has a clear terminal leaf, as compared to the leaf in leaf structure of a growing cane.
In the dormant season, water sparingly. Not so much so that they shrivel, but much less than normal.

If you fertilise in the winter next year's canes will be prone to more keikis and less flowers.

Fairorchids 12-29-2015 06:22 AM

And, the trick to stop the canes from growing any taller, is to pull the center leaf in the new growth. This is how the commercial growers produce plants with uniform height.

ttn 12-29-2015 12:23 PM

I have about 10 dend. nobile put at the south window with temp. about 60-85 deg (little water every 2 weeks). They start to have flower buds and also with few new growths about 2 inch high for each 5 inch pot. With the new growths, should I start to use fertilizer?

gngrhill 12-29-2015 10:26 PM

My nobile is flowering now, also. I have started watering lightly since I think keeping it too dry will destroy the blooms. I think you need to listen to the plants. I will not fertilize until new growth is noted.

ula 12-30-2015 10:14 AM

I would agree with gngrhill, my nobiles never do what they're supposed to be doing at specific time of the year, so I just try to follow the plant, because otherwise I don't see any bloom.

rbarata 12-30-2015 01:18 PM

This is what is called global warming. My den nobile is also doingblooms it should do in April: developing blooms.

bil 01-01-2016 06:08 PM

With the dens that you are resting, does it matter if the medium goes quite dry?

ollypolly 01-02-2016 06:53 PM

My Nobile flowers in my winter. I gave it water when it looked dry, just a splash to dampen the roots. As for fertilizing unless your plants are in an artificial medium then they should be getting enough nutrients. I often forget to feed my orchids and they all grow like weeds.

theflyingkitty 01-03-2016 02:56 PM

Part of the problem is that one plant, for example, there are 2-3 raiseny canes which have dropped most if not all their leaves and a 4" keiki attached to one all green and plump but has already dropped the center leaf you mentioned.


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