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Suzanne17 07-19-2014 10:22 AM

Rootless wonder number 2!
 
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This NOID has been struggling (it was a clearance NOID of course) and today when I looked at it to see if it needed watered (I've had it a week) its last two roots were gone. SO...it's a full size though rather than a mini. Here he is hanging out next to the other little one. There are actually has a couple of little nubbins started but they are brownish. I soaked in seaweed before putting it in the vase with the moss.

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Brooke 07-19-2014 03:42 PM

You might be able to speed up the new roots by soaking the entire plant in fertilizer water every few days. The leaves are very capable of taking up the fertilizer and keeping the leaves hydrated.

Hydration is the most important feature when dealing with an orchid with no roots. Good luck with the project.

Brooke

Suzanne17 07-19-2014 04:28 PM

Thanks- I think I will dunk them both this weekend some time in some diluted MSU.


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JMNYC 07-19-2014 04:54 PM

Your efforts on behalf of this sick puppy are heroic in what they say about you!

if any of the emerging roots looked healthy, I would say pot the plant up in a very tiny pot in NZ Sphag....but, right now, it appears the roots don't qualify

I would also cut the bottom of the base off to healthy green tissue, and dust it with some cinnamon or fungicide powder.

I think he or she can be saved......just go on making your caring, honest efforts!!! Trying, I think is always the right thing to do. No guarantees in life, but who needs those?

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Originally Posted by Brooke (Post 694767)
You might be able to speed up the new roots by soaking the entire plant in fertilizer water every few days. The leaves are very capable of taking up the fertilizer and keeping the leaves hydrated.

Hydration is the most important feature when dealing with an orchid with no roots. Good luck with the project.

Brooke

Excellent!:biggrin:

Brooke 07-19-2014 06:39 PM

Suzanne you don't have enough length on the stem to remove any of it. If you did remove and pot it, it would fall out of the pot.

Brooke

JMNYC 07-19-2014 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Brooke (Post 694804)
Suzanne you don't have enough length on the stem to remove any of it. If you did remove and pot it, it would fall out of the pot.

Brooke

Not if she just stakes it properly on two sides! I have done this often. No ties necessary, just two good sticks inserted into the medium to the bottom to stabilize the puppy, one on either side of, and right up against the stem!:biggrin:

Suzanne17 07-19-2014 07:26 PM

It has been potted for a week with two pathetic roots which both rotted, thus leading to this sad situation. No pot for Stubby the Second. If and when he decides to sprout some healthy roots we'll see. I'm not worried about time or anything like that...just not inclined to toss it and I enjoy my orchid ICU.


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JMNYC 07-20-2014 12:56 AM

How we know it's a he?;)

K...next suggestion, given the emerging roots do not look happy...possibly owing to the base rot creeping up:

what I would do, given all you share and the odds of him or her coming back as he or she is....is to remove the lower leaves, it doesn't need many to come back as long as the crown is OK.... thus exposing nodes for new roots! Again, cut back the bad part of the base to new, verdant, healthy tissue....dust it, let it form some callus.

Then, I would pot it up in tiny clay pot with NZ moss and the two wooden stakes stabilizing it as I described....then, drench it with a fungicide solution and let the medium it dry before you drench it again whenever. That is what I would do....and have done in a coupla cases with some really sick ones which come my way I thought were beyond saving. Are some actually beyond saving? sure.

But, I only give up when I see I have to.....and just trying....bears infinite, precious lessons!

vjo 07-20-2014 08:00 AM

I would NOT cut any thing off of this plant! It is going through enough as it is right now. Take Brooks advice....Jean

Suzanne17 07-20-2014 10:25 AM

No, don't worry. Not cutting anything. I don't feel there is rot. The crown and stem are firm and feel quite healthy. Just a bit wimpy.


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JMNYC 07-20-2014 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by vjo (Post 694914)
I would NOT cut any thing off of this plant! It is going through enough as it is right now. Take Brooks advice....Jean


I get how strongly you feel about this; such things must always be the call of the owner of the plant.....but the tips on the emerging roots do not look healthy at all. I doubt they can take in any nutrition. I shared what i have done and which worked, tho not with a plant beyond saving. In this case, I would cut the black roots tips off with a sterile blade and dust....along with what I delineated,

If there is a bacterial infection present, that could spread, or at the very least hold the plant back from making new growth of any kind. Re what the plant is "going thru), my take is, having to fend off some bacterial infection is the main burden. So, while the removing the bad parts (along with lower leaves, for the reason I shared),may sound draconian.....that's only brief.

For me, the goal would be to let the plant devote its future energy to producing healthy new roots and leaves.

Black tips on new roots....speak volumes.

As usual, my opinion...based on what I have done in such cases.

Whatever the OP decides to do, we shall know the result over the fullness of time! Will be fascinating!

Suzanne17 07-20-2014 07:59 PM

Those root nubbins were there when I brought this phal home a week or so again- not sure they will start growing again or not. When I first mounted this on a stick I removed the mushy rotten roots and one yellow leaf and that is all I will be removing now. Today I trimmed the threads from the old rotten roots a little closer to neaten stuff up. When I dunked it I checked it over again- nothing mushy anywhere, even on the little roots with black tips.

Definitely not taking off any leaves- there are only three. And I don't really want to cut off any more tissue. The only change I'm planning on making is checking the dollar store for a wider mouthed vase for the ICU for this plant. :) I'm not sure I want to dust with cinnamon- I don't want to desiccate the tissue.

Thanks all- will keep you posted but I imagine will be several weeks before anything happens!


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bethmarie 07-20-2014 08:48 PM

Thanks for the advice to soak the whole plant, Brooke! It's made a visible difference in a couple of my plants. :) :)

Brooke 07-21-2014 06:47 AM

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Originally Posted by bethmarie (Post 695122)
Thanks for the advice to soak the whole plant, Brooke! It's made a visible difference in a couple of my plants. :) :)

You are certainly welcome - when you have no to almost no roots, the leaves need the moisture via the soak so they don't go downhill too.

Suzanne we will look forward to future pics of your project.

Brooke

Suzanne17 07-21-2014 04:08 PM

Checking this thread on a computer rather than from my iphone and holy heck, those pictures are awful. They certainly are better pictures on my phone. Even when I choose "best" when uploading mobile shots they come out looking gruesome. Sorry about that!

Of course, there's really no prettying up Stubby the Second.


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