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s.kallima 04-14-2013 11:14 AM

Cymbidium goeringii 'Tian Cao'
 
I love this species!
This form has a very nice foliage with creamy margin. It stays small, and smells divine!!!
I grown it in pure Orchiata bark. Outdoor most of the year, indoor in winter behind a north facing window in the coldest room of the apartment.


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Cymbidium goeringii Tian Cao 天è by Jaljala photography, on Flickr

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Cymbidium goeringii Tian Cao 天草 by Jaljala photography, on Flickr

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Cymbidium goeringii Tian Cao 天草 by Jaljala photography, on Flickr

orchidsarefun 04-14-2013 12:50 PM

the "Chinese" miniature cyms are really nice, I grow my ensifolum indoors - maybe I should put it outside in Summer. I have one of those longer cym pots which aren't stable though. I will have to make a plan.

WhiteRabbit 04-14-2013 03:00 PM

Beautiful!

NYCorchidman 04-14-2013 03:21 PM

I used to grow lots of these, but I can no longer provide cold rest in the winter, so I don't grow them.
They look so good! :)

ronaldhanko 04-14-2013 10:50 PM

Fabulous and stunning photos, too.

tuvoc 04-15-2013 09:47 AM

Sweet.

Kim

s.kallima 04-15-2013 10:57 AM

thank you for the comments!

kentaki 12-22-2013 05:18 PM

That name is probably not correct. Does it have pleasant fragrance? If it is not fragrant, that is a Japanese Cym. goeringii, which I suspect, and not Cym. virens. From picture, it is pretty obvious, though.

天草 is pronounced 'Amakusa,' which is an area in Nagasaki Prefecture (Amakusa - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia). Amakusa is a famous place because of its history of Christianity in Japan, and also it has produced a decent number of Cym. kanran and Cym. goeringii cultivars such as 天草日進 (http://ww5.enjoy.ne.jp/~abe.smt/imag...kusanissin.JPG)

I am not 100% sure, but I do not think there is a cultivar just named 'Amakusa.' I am guessing '天草' is not a full name, and in the mean time, the pronunciation was changed from Japanese to Chinese. I have seen changes in pronunciation in the case of variegated Cym. sinense even if all the original ones originated/discovered in Japan. I just roll my eyes.

NYCorchidman 12-22-2013 06:45 PM

Very nice!!!

I used to grow lots of these as a kid, but now that I am an indoor grower without any cool room, I cannot flower them.

oh, well...

TOMMYMIAMI 12-22-2013 09:39 PM

Wow, have never heard about this one, so gorgeous!

s.kallima 12-22-2013 10:54 PM

kentaki, thank you for your imput, but what do you suggest I call it , I don't really understand your point. Cym. goeringii and virens are synonym to my knowledge...
The name I use is the one given to me by the seller (Ten Shin Gardens, based in Taiwan), I don't pretend to know if it is exact, and I thank you if you can give me an exact name.
The seller actually doesn't give a Japanese name when he sells plants, only the name Tian Cao, I asked him if he had a kanji name to give me when I bought the plant and this is what he told me.

DelawareJim 12-23-2013 01:04 PM

It's a beauty and good growing. I'm enjoying the Asian cymbidiums more and more as I learn grow them.

Congratulations.

Cheers.
Jim

kentaki 12-25-2013 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by s.kallima (Post 641025)
kentaki, thank you for your imput, but what do you suggest I call it , I don't really understand your point.

My point was that it was probably not the real name. It is probably truncated and pronounced in Taiwanese, but not in Japanese.

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Originally Posted by s.kallima (Post 641025)
Cym. goeringii and virens are synonym to my knowledge...

Yes, but there are differences. The most notable and easy one is the presence of pleasant fragrance.

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Originally Posted by s.kallima (Post 641025)
The name I use is the one given to me by the seller (Ten Shin Gardens, based in Taiwan)

I knew this too well. I posted somewhere here, but I purchased one Den. hybrid named Den. Cool Beans from them last October. I wasn't quite sure about the name, so I checked the RHS registration. There is no such hybrid. I also purchased a variegated Den. anosmum. While I was looking for a name for the NOID hybrid, I stumbled across a variegated Den. Nestor, which looked identical to the one I purchased. Maybe these are two isolated incidents, but it happened at the same time. The owner was absent because he was in hospital.

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Originally Posted by s.kallima (Post 641025)
I don't pretend to know if it is exact, and I thank you if you can give me an exact name.

See my previous response. There does not seem such a cultivar with the name. However, there are cultivars that have 天草 as a part of their name, so I am *guessing* that it is not a full name. 帝冠 (Tei Kan) may be a possibility, and the pronunciation is somewhat similar. But there are some differences:
teikan

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Originally Posted by s.kallima (Post 641025)
The seller actually doesn't give a Japanese name when he sells plants, only the name Tian Cao, I asked him if he had a kanji name to give me when I bought the plant and this is what he told me.

So why is he selling a Japanese cultivar with Taiwanese/Chinese pronunciation? That would complicate the matter even more. Don't get me wrong because Japanese do it all the time in Japan. But if you are selling plants outside your country, you should honor the original name or pronunciation just to avoid problems like this. That was I wrote "I just roll my eyes."

As for Japanese pronunciation, I already wrote, so I won't go there. I just state that there are two ways to pronounce Chinese characters in Japanese, Tian Cao is definitely not the one I am familiar with.

RosieC 03-04-2014 06:03 AM

Really pretty!

lianorchid 03-11-2014 01:58 PM

Hi this is Fabulous! I wonder if it is available? I am in maryland.
Thanks,

Ferns Daddy 03-11-2014 02:55 PM

Really nice looking, Thanks for sharing

s.kallima 03-12-2014 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by lianorchid (Post 662871)
Hi this is Fabulous! I wonder if it is available? I am in maryland.
Thanks,

There is an eBay seller located in California (Fremont I believe) who has some great goeringii varieties.
Otherwise, look at Tenshin Gardens website for their show schedule, I'm sure they are coming to the US soon and you can preorder some.

lianorchid 03-12-2014 10:11 AM

Thanks for your information
 
Thank you.

IncurablePlantHead 03-12-2014 10:47 AM

Wow... Thats a nice one for sure, really grabbed my attention. The name uncertainty is slightly distracting, but that one I would even accept as a NoId!

My Green Pets 03-12-2014 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by s.kallima
I'm sure they are coming to the US soon and you can preorder some.

Just remember to take a virus testing kit, as they seem to be quite common in the asian nurseries!

OCRC_Dir_China 03-14-2014 06:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by s.kallima (Post 641025)
kentaki, thank you for your imput, but what do you suggest I call it , I don't really understand your point. Cym. goeringii and virens are synonym to my knowledge...
The name I use is the one given to me by the seller (Ten Shin Gardens, based in Taiwan), I don't pretend to know if it is exact, and I thank you if you can give me an exact name.
The seller actually doesn't give a Japanese name when he sells plants, only the name Tian Cao, I asked him if he had a kanji name to give me when I bought the plant and this is what he told me.

天草 This is just traditional Chinese script and Tian cao just means Heavenly grass in traditional Chinese. If you lived or traveled around China, Japan, Korea, Vietnam you will see there is a lot of Chinese mixed into their writing and language. I haven’t seen or read anything published about this Tian cao within mainland China, but we will keep looking to see.

NYCorchidman 03-15-2014 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by CambriaWhat (Post 663102)
Just remember to take a virus testing kit, as they seem to be quite common in the asian nurseries!

What makes you say that??

I doubt virus is just as common here in the US.

Bolero 03-15-2014 10:25 PM

Lovely little plant, one day I would like to give them a try.

Asian Cymbidium Empress 04-08-2020 10:43 AM

Hi Tentaki:
Yes, you are right about TianCao/Amakusa (天草). There is a clone name Amakusa Nisshin (天草日進), the plants are bigger, better marginal variegation (覆輪), the flower stem is taller, and has a bigger flower. When I visited a shunran nurseries in Japan last fall, I asked the owner about this. He told me that these are 2 different varieties. Since Amakusa(天草)is a City in Japan, I suspect that it just indicates that this "clone" is discovered around Amakusa. Since there is nothing too outstanding about this clone, they didn't really give a "special" name. Lastly, I have never seen this clone in Japan or any of the Japanese Shunran books/dictionaries I have in my collection. This clone is only sold by the Taiwanese. When it is sold by the Taiwanese, I always ask myself the origin (I am Taiwanese and I don't buy anything from them)


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