Where are the tipo Cattleya mossiae?
 

I've been looking for a classic tipo C mossiae.
I've tried Chadwick, SVO, and a few South American growers but I can't find one.
At this point I'm open to a flask, a seedling, or a division.
Any leads would be appreciated.
Thanks.

Have you tried AWZ?

I'm not familiar with the grower.
Who is AWZ?

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Sorry, Google helped.
I sent an email
Thanks for the info.

It's funny how the most historically common orchids are rare now. And how rare varieties like coerulea and alba are the only things available sometimes. Ironic!

I would keep my eyes peeled at orchidweb. They don't have any currently but they have listing for several nice ones including polyploids.

I did find one on ebay:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/17619060780...Bk9SR_qFjNWrYw

Here's the web link but you already found it...
Home - AWZ Orquideas

When they come to shows, they ship within the US. Ron Kaufmann in California helps them get the plants sent out.

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Yeah, I wanted a tipo L. purpurata. I got one (I think from a society auction, but was donated by SVO) labeled L. purpurata 'Tipo' x self. Turns out 'Tipo' was the cultivar name of an awarded plant. And it turned out to be a lovely alba. I asked Fred Clarke about that and he said that about 1/4 of them from the selfing came out alba... clearly line bred, with an alba in there somewhere, and statistically some of them were. Maybe 'Tipo' x self but not "tipo".

When I first began to collect orchids, Phalaenopsis equestris, aphrodite, amabilis and schilleriana were widely available along with many other orchids that I never see any more. So many orchids that were commonly available for years are impossible to find. I did finally find a Phal schilleriana but why are they so difficult to find.

Ouch! I'm guessing you had to raise it from a seedling for a few years before you found that out.


Didn't see any mossiae on the current availability at AWZ

Well, it wasn't that small.. SVO did the serious growing, by the time they are sold they aren't that far from blooming (I think a couple of years). And it is a very pretty flower, just not tipo.

Hausermann had small seedlings last time I looked. I can't get to their Web site right now. It goes down for maintenance every now and then.

Here's one more:

etsy.com

The Etsy listing is very close to what I'm looking for.
I'm going to get one from there.
I'm going to keep looking too.

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This is the ideal for me Las Plantas de RA on Instagram: "Hola amigos, ?como estan? miren quien florecio, la que todos apodan como "la normalita" o "la comun" jeje.. nuestra flor nacional. Sin embargo no todas las "moraditas" son LA FLOR NACIONAL DE VENEZUELA, solo la cattleya mossiae lo es.
Es patrimonio, como toda la naturaleza lo es, por lo tanto debemos protegerla ya que nuestros organismos oficiales no se ocupan.
El ecocidio mas grande es ver como las venden afuera de las iglesias ahora en semana Santa, por favor no apoyes este comercio ilegal. .
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#cattleyamossiae
#cattleya
#purpleflower
#pinkflower
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#orchids
#orquideasdevenezuela
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#arteverde #sucutips #jardineando"

Ya I bet it's pretty rare to find a tipo that isn't a polyploid. No "regulars" around.

You might email chadwick. I guarentee they own a lot of them. You may be able to get a division.

You can send an email to Steven Christoffersen via any of his Ebay listings. He has top-shelf cattleya species (but be forewarned: you will be paying top-shelf prices for these also), and has had crosses of Cattleya mossiae listed in the past. I have several of his plants, and they were well worth the months of ramen noodles that I had to eat in exchange for blowing my budget on cattleyas.

Also try Harry Akagi at H&R Nurseries (hrnurseries.com). I didn't see any mossiaes on his Fall 2023 list, but he's carried this species in the past and he might have a few still available. Again, high quality plants from H&R (and they're a little more budget friendly and Honda-like in price compared to Steven's McLarens).

Good luck with your search.

Leafmite - check eBay for those Phalaenopsis species.

I tried Chadwick.
I emailed an image, asked if they had something similar and when they might resume their eBay listings.
The reply was that he loved the old style mossiae, and the eBay listings would resume when it was warmer.
That is nearly a quote.
Deliberately vague isn't what I'm looking for.
I will keep an eye on the eBay listings because they have great stock.

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I do watch the Christofferson Collection on eBay.
I haven't seen a tipo mossiae since I've been checking their auctions out, maybe this Spring.🤞

Guess you'll just need to plan a trip to Venezuela....

Another potential source is Troy Meyers. He specializes in flasking services for (mainly) species. He also periodically has seedlings available. I think he runs the business by himself, but he's usually pretty good at responding to emails. His email is listed on his website: Flasking Home Page. It couldn't hurt to ask him if he has anything available.

Rafael Romero is another good source for Venzuelan cattleya species. I didn't see any mossiaes on his list the last time I looked (a couple of weeks ago), but he has carried this species in the past, and he has good quality plants. In fact, my favorite tipo C. mossiae came from him over a decade ago. You can email him through his website: Plantio La Orquidea - Unusual orchid species and hybrids..

Finally, there's Ben Oliveros at Orchid Eros (HOME | orchid-eros) in Hawaii. He always has a number of excellent cattleya species seedlings for sale. Again, I just checked his list and didn't see mossiae. But you could always send him an email. He's a friendly guy and (in my experience) easy to work with.

Cattleya mossiae is by far my favorite cattleya species. So I understand your frustration, and am equally bewildered why such an outstanding species (regardless of genus) is so difficult to find these days. I dread the idea of attempting to raise orchids from flask. But at this point, I'm tempted to just cross a few of my mossiaes this spring and send the pods to Troy for flasking.

If memory serves, there is currently a mossiae cross on Troy Meyers (I reserved it awhile back) from our very own Bayard. Looks like beautiful tipo parentage!

I agree that it is bewildering how some classic orchids can be so difficult to find. I think many breeders are trying to correct this circumstance as I've seen many "classic" species/hybrids being bred again with modern parents. In some cases, specific crosses (with specific clonal parents) are even being made, which is super cool.

SVO has a listing for SVO 10337, for C. mossiae (C. mossiae 'SVO Superb' 4n x self)

https://www.sunsetvalleyorchids.com/...04n-230715.jpg

Sunset Valley Orchids - Superior Hybrids for Orchid Growers

I got one!

I got that one and also the coerulea selfing!! Now we just need to keep them thriving so we see those blooms after all....but I here mossiae's a fairly easy species to grow.

JJE - Gorgeous bloom!!! You are not helping solve my orchid addiction - just bought one based on your photo. (I haven't bought a new orchid in OVER A YEAR, but your pic just "pulled me right in"!) ROBB

Stop it guys...it's everything I can do not to hit that 'Buy Now' button...