capsicum chlorosis virus

[camille1585]

Thanks, that link works. I see what you mean about the similarities. The difference is that the rings are formed via discoloration, not necrosis (which I read sets it later with the virus).

It certainly is spreading as fast as Erwinia. I had it on a Phal a few years back, and the speed at which is spread was astounding. The symptoms were a bit different looking though. I'm also curious about the red coloring.

[james mickelso]

The red coloring of the leaves in the picture was due to the length of time the leaves lay out in the cold night air by the trash bin. I have left a leaf on an isolated phal and the leaf ring just gets larger but keeps the circular appearance all the way to the edge. This last leaf has shown a slower death than the others which took 2 days and then the leaves fell off. This is the first time since moving up here a few years ago that I have had anything like this happen to any of my orchids. The one change to the environment apart from the very cold temps is that the greenhouse has become a shade house with the shredding of the side plastic coverings. So it is open to the outside atmosphere and all the dust and debris from the other yards around me and the gardeners blower. Oh well. Just the hazards of growing rescues. Thanks for the help.

[NYCorchidman]

You can't just compare pictures and come up with a conclusion on virus. You just can't. You have to get the plant tested for virus at a lab. That's the only sure way to know, not guess.

With that said, the only thing that I "thought" was possible virus just by looking was in your last photo.
All else looked like bacterial.

Then, again, this is my guess based on just looking at your photos and what you described.

[goodgollymissmolly]

How many people here have:

1. Asked if the plant was tested
2. Asked how you self diagnosed this "virus"
3. Suggested that the low temperatures in your area are likely the cause of your problem

I will add to that that viruses don't kill plants rapidly as you suggest and most often they never kill the plant. They just sap its strength and cause poor performance often with no visible symptoms.

You have been adamant in your self defense of your diagnosis without any proof except that you found a picture that looks similar in your opinion.

Might I suggest that many things look like the pictures of virus on the internet and are not viruses and many plants have viruses and show no visible signs.

Like the guy in Pittsburgh (search in the Pittsburgh paper if you like) who claimed the police had no video evidence of him robbing a bank, you are falling into a trap of your own misconception. This guy read that lemon juice would make you invisible to cameras. No fool this guy, he tested the theory. He coated himself in lemon juice and held his video camera up to his eye and videoed the room. In reviewing the video he was not visible in it so it proved to him that he was invisible. Never mind he was pointing the camera away from himself.

Needless to say he went to jail and spawned a new area of psychiatric research about people not knowing what they don't know and interpreting everything in a vacuum of their own mind.

It would really help if you would not be so defensive of a nearly indefensible position and either get some corroborating evidence of this most unexpected result before suggesting the highly unlikely situation and confusing the hell out of people who want to actually learn something.

Lemon juice is not the answer. A scientific diagnosis of your problem would be useful. Phals exposed to the temperatures you experienced are not likely to survive, at least without severe trauma that renders them useless for future use.

[james mickelso]

Interesting. First, these plants cost me nothing. They are all rescues. Second, phals are very hardy if ya knows what the heck you are doin. I still have 6 that are doing fine and sending forth inflorescences with the temps that got into the low 30's. Third, if it's hot, billows smoke and flames ya don't need to be told it's on fire. If you are this interested search the net and see how many other diseases or conditions in phals that look like this. Speed? Viruses can kill quicker than you have had experience with. Read about capsicum chlorosis and it's effects first before ranting. This isn't an argument and I find your tone a little provacative

[goodgollymissmolly]

Originally Posted by james mickelso

Interesting. First, these plants cost me nothing. They are all rescues. Second, phals are very hardy if ya knows what the heck you are doin. I still have 6 that are doing fine and sending forth inflorescences with the temps that got into the low 30's. Third, if it's hot, billows smoke and flames ya don't need to be told it's on fire. If you are this interested search the net and see how many other diseases or conditions in phals that look like this. Speed? Viruses can kill quicker than you have had experience with. Read about capsicum chlorosis and it's effects first before ranting. This isn't an argument and I find your tone a little provacative

This seems appropriate:

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It matters not what the plants are worth. It's the worth of the information that is the topic. You apparently feel that anyone disagreeing with you is using a bad tone. Sorry, when you make an unlikely diagnosis, refuse any form of proof, and put it on the Internet, you are inviting response. So I'm going to change my tone...You are correct James, you have a dastardly virus in your plants. Thanks for sharing the information. You have helped us all become more knowledgable. Youbare a really good person and may you be blessed to never have another virus. Thank you.

[camille1585]

Please keep things nice! Nearly each and every time the topic of viruses comes up on this board, arguements are started, people's feelings get hurt and it never ends well.

[Ordphien]

Would dancing break the tension?
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[Ordphien]

Sigh... that didn't work well.

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[camille1585]

You mean this?