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Old 01-01-2013, 06:09 AM
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I would be very concerned as well if I had that sort of spotting. I am not a disease expert but here is a little reading that may be helpful:

Orchid Pests, Orchid Diseases
http://www.houstonorchidsociety.org/...ySueBottom.pdf

http://www.icogo.org/images/Dr._Chin...id_Viruses.pdf
Orchid Virus
Leafmite, thank you for the URL's. I'm sure I will use them.

Thanks and a very Happy New Year from tomorrow!
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Happy New Year to you, too!
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Look at St. Augustine Orchid Society - North Florida Orchid Growing. Pests and diseases. Could be guignardia or septosporia. Also bacterial brown rot.
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Look at St. Augustine Orchid Society - North Florida Orchid Growing. Pests and diseases. Could be guignardia or septosporia. Also bacterial brown rot.
Thanks for the advice, that link has some great pics in it. Thankfully though, I don't think it appears to be either of those virus's.

What should I expect by treating with a copper hydroxide fungicide? should I see symptoms clear up, or mainly change in spots as the "die". Do I need to reapply periodically?
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Old 01-04-2013, 10:13 AM
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Let's clear one thing or two:
- all these are not viruses
- viruses are really tiny DNA/RNA protein encapsulated "living" (they are counted as living now) thingies. The largest viruses are as big as some small bacterias. Viruses infect a cell, replicate inside it using the DNA/protein replication factory there, then move outside and go on infecting.
- Bacterias are single cells, with free moving DNA inside, they live on or in cells or in the fluids like sap. A bacterial infection smells… stinks in fact.
- Fungus, are multiple cells organisms (save the likes of yeast for example) so of even higher organization. They push in multiple cell organization a mycelium (think "roots" but it's the fungus itself) inside the plant. And if you see a white/green plush thingie out, it's the "blooming" fungus dispersing spores.

All these are in 3 different Orders of the living stuff around, it lefts plants, animals and Archaea (leave this for now) out of the picture. But don't take a fungus for a virus or a bacteria, you don't fight viruses in plants (to make things simple), and it takes different means to kill fungi or bacterias, the bad one that is, as some are beneficial (not our case here), orchids in the wild even need fungus to grow at first or for some all their life.

Now to get back to our problem:

- Viruses are less common than you think, so first choice will always be something else that can look the same (fungus, bacteria), and only a test can tell if there's really a virus possibly at work.

- If it stinks : bacterias
- if it smells mushrooms : fungus
- neither, it can be either!
- if something oozes, it's infectious, don't touch it, remove the goo with something disposable and off to the trash and disinfect and wash you hands.

Simple means to care about fungi and bacterias are copper (but it works preventively, outside the plant only), cinnamon (can't be more organic), then the available systemic chemicals (read out the little lines, it's not friendly stuff, for you and wildlife).

Basic caring is to dispose of the affected parts (with disinfected tools before and after), cut them large at least an inch from the infected part. Treat on the spot with at least a systemic fungicide. Treat the cut itself with cinnamon.

You can follow up with a copper based product to altern. Don't use copper on blooming plants or dendrobiums.

You can use as a more general mean a cinnamon decoction:
- 3 teaspoons of cinnamon powder in a tea bag/pouch
- in half a liter of alcohol (isopropyl 70° if possible, else the 70° Cooper formula will do)
- leave 24 hours then remove the bag.
- spray
- bactericide, insecticide, fungicide, miticide
- organic but not systemic
- DON'T spray the roots or flowers!
- you can spray every few days if needed as a complement.

I don't have the habit of peroxyde… AFAIK it's 3% peroxyde alone, spray all over, insist if a zone is bubbling… (I'd take a complete course on this as I've never read it in full still

Can't tell for a copper/peroxyde mix…

(I strongly encourage to read the STAUG pages and at least Sue Bottom's and a few other pdfs, it's the best input you can have right now in the world for orchids)

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Thanks for the great info lepetitmartien. I will use that as a starting point for diagnosis. In regards to the odontiodium... probably 95% of the leaf surfaces are affected with the spotting... is it suggested that I cut all of those leaves... pretty much only leaving bulbs?

Thanks.

I will revisit those resources that you posted... Having plants under attack is a bit daunting
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Old 01-05-2013, 07:27 PM
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First three or fours pictures, my gut feeling is virus.
The rest could be fungal or something else.
By the way, the only way to be sure is to have your plants checked at a lab test for virus.

No one can ever say for sure (they can only guess)whether an orchid is virused or not by just looking at symptoms.
Many show no symptoms at all but are virused.

Plus I don't agree with the above person that viruses are not as common as one might think. It's the other way around. It is much more common than people think.

Have your collection tested and you will be surprised!

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Old 01-30-2013, 06:38 AM
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Update re. possible virus on cym. I came across a cym at my mother in laws which was presenting the same symptoms... as I received my orchid from my sister in law... I inquired as to the source of the mother in laws cym. Turns out it came from the same person as mine. Without ruling out the cyms being in crap mix... or perhaps having been kept in dramatically different environment from where we are now keeping them.... I would be leaning towards a virus? What do you guys think?
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Plus I don't agree with the above person that viruses are not as common as one might think. It's the other way around. It is much more common than people think.

Have your collection tested and you will be surprised!
Yes, I have to date tested about 90 orchids in my collection and 10% have tested positive for either ORSV, CymMV or both.
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Old 01-31-2013, 10:11 PM
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Thanks for posting.
10% might be about average.
Some people will be shocked to see how bad virus has spread in their collection.

It is best to deal with each plant as if they were all virused and practice proper culture and care.
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