Results of ORSV and CymMV testing

[NYCorchidman]

Having diseases might be part of life but it is no way a good part. and here we are talking about keeping things free from disease and their ugly effects as much as we can so we can enjoy the beautiful flowers and plants.

Sure, many plants suffer attacks from diseases and bugs and stuff. Being diseased is actually not common and not natural. It is part of nature's way of cleaning out weak ones for various reasons. and one of the reasons is growing in wrong environments.

Most species live in places where they are supposed to be and they are provided with what they need to thrive.
Seeds may land somewhere where things are not quite right. too much light, too little light, too hot, too cold, too much water, too little water, too many bugs, not enough air circulation, too many already diseased organisms around...eventually these won't grow well and succumb to the natural decomposers and go their way. This is why not everything grows everywhere.
As we take orchids (or anything else) into cultivation, things often go wrong. Viruses among others, have to be transfered by insect vectors or some other means. this is not actually that common in their natural habitat at all. With ignorance and improper handling done on our part, viruses found very convenient and easy way to spread and infect plants.
very very serious and unnatural phenomena.

Unfortunately, unless all the commercial growers wake up and start caring for plants properly, this problem will always be a problem if not getting much much worse than it already is.
really sad.

Diseases are also part of human life, but that doesn't mean we just sit and wait to die. We do all we can to do better.

My opinion.

[escualida]

Hear, hear

[escualida]

Does anyone have links to pages where they explain the harmful effects of ORSV and CymMV on orchids? I'm in the middle of a dispute with Pine Ridge Orchids through my credit card company and I want to have links or documents to show that these are harmful diseases that affect the health of orchids.

They sent me five, very expensive, orchids that were infected with BOTH viruses... ugh it never ends.

Thanks in advance!

[SJF]

I think St Augustine orchid society. I will look and be back

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I would look on the AOS website too. I think it talks about orchids with viruses needing to be disposed of

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Orchid Viruses - American Orchid Society
Orchids, The American Orchid Society The symptoms that are caused by viruses are variable and difficult to pinpoint. Sometimes ...

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Orchid Viruses - St. Augustine Orchid Society
www.staugorchidsociety.org/culturepests- ...Orchid Viruses, Color Break, Virus Symptoms, Prevention.

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Adriana,
I hope those links help. Ultimately, they sent you diseased plants not healthy ones. The CC company should stand behind that fact
~Sue

[DavidCampen]

Originally Posted by escualida

They sent me five, very expensive, orchids that were infected with BOTH viruses... ugh it never ends.

Just curious, phalaenopsis or catasetinae? Both types seem to have a high infection prevalence.

[Jayfar]

Originally Posted by escualida

Does anyone have links to pages where they explain the harmful effects of ORSV and CymMV on orchids? I'm in the middle of a dispute with Pine Ridge Orchids through my credit card company and I want to have links or documents to show that these are harmful diseases that affect the health of orchids.

I would hope that they are already well aware of harmful effects of ORSV and CymMV on orchids, else they would have no business being in the business. Are they stating otherwise?

[DavidCampen]

Virus infected plants is a big problem for growers and sellers. Especially with catasetinae and phalaenopsis. If growers and sellers had to destroy all of their contaminated plants I think many would go out of business.

When I bought some catasetinae from Pine Ridge a year or so ago the owner was very helpfull and even sent me photos of the plants before I bought them. Recently I discovered that a couple of those plants were infected with CymMV but since it had been a year since I made the purchase I didn't say anything.

[escualida]

SJF thanks so much, but for some reason the links you put up either sent me to a book review or a blank page.

I found some good articles though that I think I can use.

http://www.aos.org/images/img_conten...ting_Virus.pdf

http://www.wptrc.org/userfiles/file/orchid2.pdf

http://ucce.ucdavis.edu/files/reposi...01p3-71680.pdf

The Other Orchid Thief: Virus Ravages the Popular Flower [Slide Show]: Scientific American

These are probably good enough. The cc company had asked me to send them a "second opinion from someone in the industry on an official letterhead", but I think they said that simply sending them official results from Critter Creek was enough, but I wanted to send them documentation like this anyway just in case.

Originally Posted by DavidCampen

Just curious, phalaenopsis or catasetinae? Both types seem to have a high infection prevalence.

All phals

Originally Posted by Jayfar

I would hope that they are already well aware of harmful effects of ORSV and CymMV on orchids, else they would have no business being in the business. Are they stating otherwise?

The information is so that I can send it to the credit card company.

Now that you mention it though from the email exchange I had with Pine Ridge it seems that they won't accept that these viruses are harmful. Their response was essentially "these viruses are common, that's just the way it is" and that's it. Really infuriating, thus the dispute.

Originally Posted by DavidCampen

Virus infected plants is a big problem for growers and sellers. Especially with catasetinae and phalaenopsis. If growers and sellers had to destroy all of their contaminated plants I think many would go out of business.

Agree, but there has to be a way to work towards minimizing these. And there are definitely excellent growers out there that do a great job of selling clean plants, and others that at least give refunds when a virus is found.

Originally Posted by DavidCampen

When I bought some catasetinae from Pine Ridge a year or so ago the owner was very helpfull and even sent me photos of the plants before I bought them. Recently I discovered that a couple of those plants were infected with CymMV but since it had been a year since I made the purchase I didn't say anything.

I doubt it would have been a pleasant exchange anyway. I mean, I had to resort to opening a dispute with the CC company in order to resolve this and I tested for virus as soon as I received them.

[SJF]

Originally Posted by escualida

SJF thanks so much, but for some reason the links you put up either sent me to a book review or a blank page...



All phals



The information is so that I can send it to the credit card company.

Now that you mention it though from the email exchange I had with Pine Ridge it seems that they won't accept that these viruses are harmful. Their response was essentially "these viruses are common, that's just the way it is" and that's it. Really infuriating, thus the dispute.



Agree, but there has to be a way to work towards minimizing these. And there are definitely excellent growers out there that do a great job of selling clean plants, and others that at least give refunds when a virus is found.



I doubt it would have been a pleasant exchange anyway. I mean, I had to resort to opening a dispute with the CC company in order to resolve this and I tested for virus as soon as I received them.

Sorry,
I did a Google search for "orchid virus" and they all came up on the first page. I hope that helps. My copy, cut and pasting on here is preschool level

[NYCorchidman]

The fact that viruses do cause damages on plants, that they do not go away once infected, and they spread to others, are enough to say the least.
I'm sorry to hear about this.

At a recent show where I bought a few plants, I was shocked to see many phals in bloom so closely displayed together that I didn't even get near to them.
Apparently, whoever the seller was for the table don't know anything about viruses (or any diseases) or just simply ignore that part and only focus on selling.
This whole thing is sooooo frustrating!!!