Thank you all for your quick responses. I am amazed at how quickly I get answers! This is a wonderful discussion board. Speaking of which, I had just joined another orchid discussion board a few days ago, had never posted, and when I did go to try it out, I got a message that I was a spammer, and was banned from ever posting, and it then said "Time frame bann is lifted: never" ????? Wow! I don't even know how to spam. What is that all about?