NoID Bulldog-ish Paph in flower - Orchid Board

RosieC · #1 02-23-2015, 03:57 AM

This was my first Paph. It has the colouring of those often referred to as Bulldogs but the shape is not so round. The grower who sold it called it an 'American Style Paph Hybrid' really not sure what they mean by that

but I love it.

Despite me thinking it wasn't doing so well recently it's flowered again in it's reliable way. This time I think with a decent camera, is the first time we've captured the colour correctly... however as ever how you see it will depend on your monitor, but from my end it looks pretty accurate

Ordphien · #2 02-23-2015, 04:18 AM

I'm not a fan of complex paphs really.
But I love this one. That spotting! Gorgeous.

camille1585 · #3 02-23-2015, 04:36 AM

I'm also not a big fan of bulldog type paphs, but this one is an exception to that. I love the dorsal on it, and the pouch has such nice colors!

Tindomul · #4 02-23-2015, 12:03 PM

Great colour combo.

PaphMadMan · #5 02-23-2015, 12:27 PM

Despite the shape, this is a full bulldog. It may be an older hybrid from before the full round shape was as common, or it might just be a less awardable sibling from a recent cross. I don't know what "American Style" may mean, other than indicating the snobbishness of the grower. This could easily be from the same seed pod as a big round awarded bulldog, so I don't know how you could call it a different style of breeding. It does have good color, and a much more natural shape than those plastic satellite dishes orchid judges prefer.

Tindomul · #6 02-23-2015, 12:39 PM

Hi,
I am ignorant about this name bulldog and what it refers to. Can someone enlighten me? WHy are they called bulldogs, where did that name come from, and how can you tell them apart from other Paph types. Thanks, and sorry to be so demanding.

Ordphien · #7 02-23-2015, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Tindomul

Hi,
I am ignorant about this name bulldog and what it refers to. Can someone enlighten me? WHy are they called bulldogs, where did that name come from, and how can you tell them apart from other Paph types. Thanks, and sorry to be so demanding.

I'm not really a paph person so maybe someone can answer this better.
I believe the more rounded form and drooping of the petals reminded people of a bulldogs face.
To me "bulldog" paphs have very waxy texture, normally a more rounded form. And usually a rather complex breeding background.

RosieC · #8 02-23-2015, 03:51 PM

Thanks every one

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Originally Posted by PaphMadMan

Despite the shape, this is a full bulldog. It may be an older hybrid from before the full round shape was as common, or it might just be a less awardable sibling from a recent cross. I don't know what "American Style" may mean, other than indicating the snobbishness of the grower. This could easily be from the same seed pod as a big round awarded bulldog, so I don't know how you could call it a different style of breeding. It does have good color, and a much more natural shape than those plastic satellite dishes orchid judges prefer.

Thanks for the info, I always used to refer to it as a bulldog, then realized the name came from the round face which mine didn't have so wasn't sure it was the right term. In this case I think it's a just a "less awardable" sibling of a recent cross. When I bought it others on the shelf with it were far more rounded faced ones. I didn't know anything about what judges would prefer (it was only my 5th ever orchid) and picked it because it wasn't so rounded as the others and I thought looked far more elegant than the others

It was bought from a local garden center but the tag indicated it came from this nursery P.P.Orchideeën and while others shown on their site are not the roundest 'bulldog' faces I've seen, they are more so than mine.

The bit about 'American Style', finding their website again what they actually say is "Since 1993 Prins Paphiopedilum Orchids has cultivated Paphiopedilum American Hybrids". Still don't know what they mean by that, but it could be something lost in translation, or a different way of referring to the complex/bulldog style paphs in Dutch (then directly translated to English).

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Originally Posted by Tindomul

Hi,
I am ignorant about this name bulldog and what it refers to. Can someone enlighten me? WHy are they called bulldogs, where did that name come from, and how can you tell them apart from other Paph types. Thanks, and sorry to be so demanding.

Take a look at this post which has some example pictures.
Bulldog Paph?

Basically complex paph hybrids, one of the main ones in the breeding of them was Paph Winston Churchill. Winston Churchill being a british war time prime minister often referred to as the British Bulldog. Not sure if the flower was named Winston Churchill because the round faced nature of it looked like a bulldog, or if the name bulldog started being used for the flowers because of the naming of that hybrid

I do think the rounded faced ones remind me of a bulldog face.

Tindomul · #9 02-23-2015, 04:45 PM

Ahhh, thanks Rosie and Ordphien. Now I begin to see.
This reminds me of when I first joined the Orchid Board and I had to ask what the difference was between Paphs and Phals.

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Originally Posted by Ordphien

To me "bulldog" paphs have ...... usually a rather complex breeding background.

Sooo, not that unlike the actual bulldog

Jenn4a · #10 02-23-2015, 05:18 PM

I was assuming bulldog was just a nicer way of saying mutt.

I'm still not exactly sure what a bulldog paph is, but I was also under the impression it involved complex breeding. I try to find the parentage of my plants (and some plants that I want.) I'm kind of crazy like that. I once tried looking for parentage of a "bulldog" paph I was considering, and I could not find many crosses leading up to it...and I just gave up.