tmoneys phlowering phals and such

[camille1585]

I really don't know how I missed this thread, especially since Phals are my favorite group of orchids!!

I really like the Wossner Mucke, the barring is very nice. I need to show the photo of your parishii to my parishii. I thought it was growing spikes this spring, but it turns out it's making a bunch of basal keikis!

[Mr.Fakename]

Originally Posted by tmoney

but the hidden gem is the brown and yellow stripes on the lip

According to the (controversial) nomenclature of this Phal group, you are the proud owner of none other than Phalaenopsis rundumensis: IOSPE PHOTOS
Phalaenopsis rundumensis

[tmoney]

Originally Posted by camille1585

I really don't know how I missed this thread, especially since Phals are my favorite group of orchids!!

I really like the Wossner Mucke, the barring is very nice. I need to show the photo of your parishii to my parishii. I thought it was growing spikes this spring, but it turns out it's making a bunch of basal keikis!

hey camille, welcome to thhe party! the wossner mucke was underwhelming when we first got them, and i am glad i didn't try to give them away! for people who like this flower type, it is very straightforward and seems like they have nice habits. wait until the sister plant blooms, as we are anticipating it will be our best show to date.

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Originally Posted by Mr.Fakename

According to the (controversial) nomenclature of this Phal group, you are the proud owner of none other than Phalaenopsis rundumensis: IOSPE PHOTOS
Phalaenopsis rundumensis

hahaha, figures....ignorance is bliss sometimes

i did go back and look at martins photos of the plant on iospe and it is the same bloom i have, but you are right, many of the other pics there of doweryensis have a slightly different shaped lip with orange markings. many others, including alba men's pics of them, look similar to ours. im so confused!!! so these two have officially been split into different species?? time to go change the label??

[tmoney]

Originally Posted by camille1585

I really don't know how I missed this thread, especially since Phals are my favorite group of orchids!!

I really like the Wossner Mucke, the barring is very nice. I need to show the photo of your parishii to my parishii. I thought it was growing spikes this spring, but it turns out it's making a bunch of basal keikis!

we got a nice little group of parishiiis. a bit scerd for the one carrying the pod as it hasn't starting putting on a new leaf yet. tho we have noticed this year since we have done more pollinating that plants bearing or attempting to bear seed are delayed, and definitely drop one or two flowers on the inflorescence. so i am not overly concerned just yet (famous last words)

if we were to get a keiki i would not complain! might be a nice trait to try and promote. im all about vegetative propagation!!!!

here are the remaining flowers for the season...pic taken yesterday or the day before....

[Mr.Fakename]

Originally Posted by tmoney

hahaha, figures....ignorance is bliss sometimes

i did go back and look at martins photos of the plant on iospe and it is the same bloom i have, but you are right, many of the other pics there of doweryensis have a slightly different shaped lip with orange markings. many others, including alba men's pics of them, look similar to ours. im so confused!!! so these two have officially been split into different species?? time to go change the label??

This is why it's controversial. Doweryensis was described in 2001, from plants that were spotted at the Dowery Orchid Nursery, in the USA.
The origin of the plants was unknown for years, and little has been said about it since. It reportedly comes from Sabah, Borneo, somewhere in the mountains (not a cold hardy plant, but not a super lowlander either).


In 2008 comes this new Phal, that looks slightly different from doweryensis.
The question is, can you describe a whole new species, based on the facts that:

• petals are slightly turned inwards
• flowers have a brownish lip
• inflorescences have 3 flowers at once
• you know where this plant lives

Well, I'm no taxonomist, but I, and many others, don't think this is enough to discriminate between species.
Since then and the propagation of dowy, we learnt that variation between individuals is enough to refute the first 3 arguments.
At best, rundumensis is a form or subspecies of doweryensis.

[tmoney]

today the germaine vincent (violacea alba x speciosa coffee) from the first, most original and stupendous "place your bets on bloom time" opened again on the original spike. but this is why i like having multiple examples from different vendors. the differences in these blooms is quite clear now seeing them side by side. now granted, the flowers on the plant on the right are about 3 weeks old. so there's that. but, given that they have identical care and culture, the differences are crazy to me. both have their qualities that we might want for breeding, and realizing that the violacea can provide different results in pigment based on temps and such...i like the one on the left better. the clear pigment difference between the sepals and the petals is quite pleasing to me.

anyway, hope you enjoy! and buy two seedlings next time!

[camille1585]

That's quite a difference! Not sure I like one better than the other, the one on the right is also quite nice with the more subdued markings.

I have multiples of Phal Bronze Maiden. My first plant was so gorgeous, but it has been struggling in recent years (some pathogen that strikes once a leaf is fully matured). So I bought another, which didn't bloom with the same form. So then I bought 2 more from different vendors, and am waiting for them to reach blooming size.... So I have 4 in total!

[tmoney]

and another comparison of the wossner mucke, tho both plants are from the same grower. here is the sister plant to the one posted a couple weeks ago.





here is the other woss mucke from a month or so ago, much less barring and less purple on the lip, but pleasant nonetheless. and much larger than its sibling....



the blooming habbit of this plant, at least as of now, is much more dense and floriferous. in all there were 9 flowers that bloomed on 2 spikes (sorry, i can't spike for crap). the blooms are much more dense than the 2-3 we got on the other plant. also, this plant has the nice habbit of all flowers opening essentialy the same day.

the drawback is, the flowers are almost 2.5 mm on average smaller than the other plant. bummer. but good if you like small flowers!

and in other blooms, the fuscata finally bloomed!!! camille, you may remember this plant was part of that order a few of us did from a few months ago. special cause it's our first phal keiki transition and flowered (the dendrobium beat it out). and, it's pretty cool looking!

[tmoney]

Originally Posted by camille1585

(some pathogen that strikes once a leaf is fully matured). So I bought another, which didn't bloom with the same form. So then I bought 2 more from different vendors, and am waiting for them to reach blooming size.... So I have 4 in total!

ouch, i think i remember reading about this and seeing that flower at some point. well, be sure to post some more comparison photos when they bloom!

i hate waiting on immature plants...but at the same time it's so exciting!!!!

[tmoney]

a special day as our school year is nearly finished now, and here is my first rescue orchid finally blooming!

the plant was brought in by a colleague in august, and was withered away with only a couple dying roots and some small wrinkled leaves. she reported abusing the phal for at least 2 years with no flowers.

i mixed up some of our mix and brought it to school with a stornk kelpmax solution which it soaked in over night. only fertalized once since late august (i think i fertilized it in december). yes, it's your typical large while grocery no id, but to me it is quite special. and now it has become our hallway plant outside the science labs.

don't give up on your noid's! and...i'm starting to think i don't need to fertilize so much...