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Old 07-19-2014, 08:16 PM
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Do people actually talk this way in NYC? Where I grew up this would get your butt kicked. Darn! Annoying is an under statement.

No prizes for guessing the dictionary definition of someone who feels compelled to make this type of unsolicited comment......
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Old 07-19-2014, 08:24 PM
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No prizes for guessing the dictionary definition of someone who feels compelled to make this type of unsolicited comment......
Well, I am sinCERELY in your debt for This! I am used to going to bat for others (INCLUDING STRANGERS), never expect anyone to do this for me. My feeling is, such offerings have VALUE.....given, they exceed the necrosis of patination and show true colors.

True colors are always the bottom line, and I don't mean only re orchids! Anything short of knowing who individuals are---sometimes settle for being---I think is a waste of time.

Someone unwittingly hobbled by despotic upbringing/conditioning (who hasn't looked within), is sadly, likely to be threatened by what is normal and life affirming...relegated to having old terrors come up.....and, (here it comes again) throwing chairs.

Thanks so much again!

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Old 07-19-2014, 09:46 PM
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Wow. "We" often celebrate many voices, including heady, delicious, humor rich, loving, non necrotic, lfe affirming pas de deux with those we are close to. As was the happy case in this event.

Entirely normal if not ideal human energy in discourse/exchanges...opposite of software. Apparently too subtle and nuanced (or happy?) for some. Nobody I know personally or professionally....but, it seems....some.

Being as formal as High Mass is a no brainer.

But, the rich, life affirming dynamic in question, is one of the reasons everyone wants to live here despite the increasing costs.
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Edit: Making a quantum leap via your chosen username.....I will have to conclude and so, celebrate, at least, coming up, it seems you weren't precluded from celebrating the erotic (eros, from the Greek=lifeforce) and deliciously salacious offerings of Little Richard! So, there is hope!

---------- Post added at 05:17 PM ---------- Previous post was at 04:16 PM ----------

One more: i have shown and linked many colleagues and friends to this thread, and everyone at my end is boggled that anyone could fail to "get" the joyful essence of any part of this narrative. I mean it.

Forget ANYONE actually thinking I was being serious in representing myself as I did in my intial pitch....while Jimmy sat behind his uber Apple screen in the office grinning from ear to ear.

I am learning not to take for granted all the happy, healthy things I apparently do.
That makes a lot of sense. I had never considered the possibilities. I just needed a few drinks to understand better. The internet has helped me understand those around me. Now I fear for the future of humanity. Not that it won't exist, but that it might. Holy Cow and someone actually defended this mind numbing use of the language.
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Old 07-24-2014, 08:31 PM
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July 24 Update with initial images.

Jimmy brought me the puppy.

I will now paste the mail I just sent him and put up the initial images I made.

Exactly as I suspected alas, plus clearly, both were initially grown in good NZ moss, and the florist, for his obscene display purposes, but that's what Jimmy wants cause that's what most of my neighbors LOVE....put them in a disgusting closed metal pot I NOW GET HE PUTS ALL OF OURS IN… filled with TONS of what is clearly Chilean moss.

I will try to save both, see if the one with the crown issue (did not expect to find that) might make a keiki down the road I do this all the time with the phals that come my way, only rarely in decent shape.
I will now remove all the bad roots and put each one in a properly sized new pot with fresh medium and hang them and do my usual monitoring. It’s a journey.
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Thanks Jimmy....

Trying to do this while trying to get work done too....knocked her out (them).....was already worried re her (their) roots....not so good as I suspected.

I think I can save one.....the other is starting some kinda crown issue....meaning maybe some water got into the crown and her ability to produce a new leaf is kaput. Remember, phals are monpodial, so, when this happens it's ovah.....best U can hope for is it might produce a basal keiki (baby) at the base....part of its survival strategy.

I hate this guy up the street (tho I did surmise he's yr source for all our lobby phals and he does have spectacular stuff).....both plants obscenely over potted in huge amount of Chilean moss in this no draining metal pot....all about appearance in the interim and nothing about health and growing them properly. What he does insures their misery and death.

But thanks for passing her along.....when I finish work I will return the obscene metal pot. One thing to use a cache pot outside a properly draining one.....but that's not what this guy is about.

Very depressing, Jimmy. I will do the best I can.

Thanks!!
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Old 07-24-2014, 08:44 PM
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Addendum: I KNEW her roots were abysmal and nearly all rotten, I knew from looking at her, you become a good judge of such, and you just know. I removed everything bad, made 2 pics.

I will now let them dry and then pot them properly. Both will need the double stakes I use in such cases because of the dearth of roots.
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Old 07-24-2014, 10:39 PM
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New update:

Let both newly root trimmed (also removed a lower leaf from one) phals dry some, put some cinnamon in the crown of the one I am convinced has an issue there, potted both, hung them where they will not get too much light.

Ran the oval brass pot of death the florist uses for I now get, all our lobby phals, all doubles.... up to Jimmy on 14, left it on his door mat.....came back and sent him this via email:

Oval brass POT OF DEATH.....at yr door.

Now, do with this what U will:

Not only is what he's doing insuring the death of these plants.....it is ALSO COSTING YOU NEEDLESS MONEY!!!

Why? Because what he is doing starts rotting the roots IMMEDIATELY AFTER HE TAKES THE TWO WELL GROWN PLANTS in bud, EARLY BLOOM.... AND PUTS THEM IN A METAL CONTAINER With NO DRAINING AND A huge amount of empty space he then fills with cheap Chilean moss and then waters the doomed thing.....

.....and THAT, Jimmy, cuts th normal perfect bloom interval, by at least HALF.....meaning you gotta replace them in half the time you should have to replace them! Makes him twice the money from our account.....and kills all the plants involved too. Wut does he care?

Yes indeed.

PONDER THIS....just as a businessman....you are wasting money!!!!! The other part....it is wut it is. Makes my tummy hurt. Try to remember... U have the Moon in Pisces.
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Old 07-25-2014, 12:18 AM
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Next chapter in this truly fascinating chronology.

Got this email in response to the last one I sent, pasted above:

In a message dated 7/24/2014 9:38:22 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, JIMxxxxxxxxxxxx writes:

I need you to tell me what to say to him so that he pots them correctly
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Jimmy, He knows! U think he don know? He does not care!!!!!

U tell him, leave both plants of the cultivar you next choose in the pots he GETS THEM IN. Place the original pots side by side inside A cache pot....a SMALLER OVAL ONE (or rectangular one) THAN THIS EVIL huge brass piece of merda pot. Ceramic is far nicer than that HUGE brass painted black on the outside PIECE OF GARBAGE anyway.

The issue will be what the top looks like to my pathetic, shallow Wall Street neighbors with the Hermes crap---not that they even look at that, like most, they look at the BLOOMS. Proper way, TWO SEPARATE POTS WILL BE VISIBLE....BUT nobody will look at that! Plus he can put sheet moss on top of the medium re both pots.

What he does now, is, knock both plants out of the pots he gets them in.....put them in the giant ugly brass death pot, fill in the huge empty space with Chilean moss he then wets....and then he puts sheet moss on top of that. The roots start rotting IMMEDIATELY!!!!!!

AND YES, INDEED, NOT ONLY INSURES THE Death OF THE PLANTS, BUT cuts the normal gorgeous bloom interval in half!!!!! Maybe more than in half.

I would personally like to look him in his Faustian eyes and let him have it. For him....it is just business and he is dealing wit, for HIM (and, prolly most of his rich clients) disposable commodities. But don mean YOU have to collude in this!

Again, does it cut what should be a long, perfect blooming period in half? YES IT DOES.

And then, it kills them. He counts on that most people who patronize his pretentious business know ugatz. PROVE HIM WRONG.

Heads up: the right way as per above....someone will have to water them at the right intervals....and let them drain before returning them to the cache pot. Depending on the plants, maybe once a week or even less often! Have a staff member do it, take them to the basement, one of the utility sinks in the laundry room, I will give any info necessary. It’s a no brainer, Jimmy.

Hold on, I took some pics to put up on my orchids board site....cause people are following this. I will paste them in the next mail.
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---------- Post added at 11:18 PM ---------- Previous post was at 10:26 PM ----------

Another update. Jimmy wanted me to put instructions in WORD to give to the our florist guy.

I did, attached it so he can print it out.....said you might consider deleting the last sentence.

U gotta find the funny, it's a delicious birthright.

I am pasting.
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Florist Man:
Re all future Phal cultivars Jimmy chooses for display in our lobby:

Keep both plants of the cultivar in question….one of our last had crown damage, by the way, along with nearly all the roots on both plants rotted… KEEP BOTH PLANTS in their original pots as you get them from the grower (Taiwan?) or local wholesaler… in what appears decent NZ Sphagnum moss.

Put the twin plants in their pots as they are into either a small oval or rectangular cache pot. We prefer heavy ceramic. Do not fill in empty space with the Chilean moss you use. No filling with anything!

You may put the sheet moss on the top of the medium in both pots, but it’s not necessary. Jimmy’s call. Both pots should be drenched and allowed to DRAIN before putting them in the cache pot before we receive the finished presentation to put on the display table in our lobby.

What you are doing now---as I am sure you KNOW… starts root rot immediately, insures the death of the plants….AND, it also cuts the normal, long interval of perfectly retained blooms and new buds opening at least in HALF. Because most of the roots are ROTTED early on,and the plants in great distress.

(YOU LOWLIFE Faustian THIEF.)

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Old 07-25-2014, 09:30 AM
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This florist is simply doing what he does best...creating floral displays. He's not concerned w/the longevity of these plants because most of clients are only buying the finished product for it's decorative appeal...rather than wishing to grow it on. He's going about his life...doing his job...and earning his living. Why does this make him evil? He's making pretty decorative objects...he's not killing puppies or abusing babies.

I don't buy cut flowers nor do I buy floral arrangements but I believe others have the right to do so if that's what they choose to do. I don't cut the flowers in my gardens because I like to enjoy them right where they are. But, my neighbors cut their flowers and they put them in vases in their homes...and that's OK. My way...their way...one is not better than the other it's just a different way of going about things.

Maybe the people in charge of doing the buying should've asked this man to do things differently a long time ago. If the goal was to keep the plants alive...don't you think it would've be more productive to relay that bit of info to the guy doing the creating? Most florist do not grow these plants...they buy them to create decorator objects...and that is what your building ordered. Most people who buy arrangements enjoy them for a short period and then they pitch them. Kind of like those same people in your building who buy those cast off that you pick up...they were decorative items and when they wilted they were pitched. I wouldn't do that...but those are the exact people who buy this florist's creations. Wouldn't those people simply be on a different "journey" from those of us who grow orchids rather than cut them? I thought you said all "journeys" had value. Could be I'm misunderstanding all that "journey" talk...I admit it.

Regardless...

I believe your new instructions will go a long way in helping to keep the plant alive but you really shouldn't condemn the man for doing his job. The job he was hired to do.

Given the content of many of your "speeches" and the overall 'to each his own' feel of many of those speeches...I find the above diatribe rather hypocritical.

Just sayin'....
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Old 07-25-2014, 09:54 AM
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I'm locking this thread while I review some of the comments made on it. I may choose to unlock it again, but please note I'm very unhappy about some of the comments made.

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Old 07-25-2014, 12:40 PM
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What I don't get is why your Mother didn't teach you that droning on and on about these topics is really rather crass. Not to mention...tiresome.
So, YES, I was laughing and I was serious about that fact in my first comment. I honestly thought you were joking about that Diva/Goddess BS. Sorry...I won't make that same mistake in the future.
FWIW -- I am happy...very happy, actually. But, I will admit that ill mannered boasting really does rub me the wrong way. Sorry. You have my permission to call me old fashioned.
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If only.....
No no no. We do not talk to others like this here on Orchid Board. If you don't want to read about it then just unsubscribe and stop reading this thread. Don't be rude about something you are not interested to hear.

Taking off my moderator hat for a momment, I have actually enjoyed reading this thread. So different to my own experience and so interesting as a result.

so back in moderator mode, if you don't like it don't read it... simple surely... there are a lot of other things to read here on OB.

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Do people actually talk this way in NYC? Where I grew up this would get your butt kicked. Darn! Annoying is an under statement.
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That makes a lot of sense. I had never considered the possibilities. I just needed a few drinks to understand better. The internet has helped me understand those around me. Now I fear for the future of humanity. Not that it won't exist, but that it might. Holy Cow and someone actually defended this mind numbing use of the language.
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Given the content of many of your "speeches" and the overall 'to each his own' feel of many of those speeches...I find the above diatribe rather hypocritical.
Just sayin'....
and again no. If you don't like JMNYC's style just move on to other threads/posts.

Do NOT insult the way other people speak/write.

I will re-open this thread but will be watching closely. Again
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