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01-06-2013, 01:50 PM
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Is is "banned", or simply not registered for sale?
When the MSU fertilizer formulations were released, they were not salable in Canada because Agriculture Canada was "protecting" the farmers in the country. Once the fees (about $600-$700 per formula or dilution) were paid, it was OK.
Some vendors simply don't want to go through the hassle and expense of getting a product registered.
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Hi Ray,
We've discussed this before...
I have no idea about all the policies and politics behind the scenes, I'm just relating to what is the known fact for now (or so I read in one on the forums including this one), untill it changes. I salut your much in depth professional knowledge about the details and how they apply. Your description sheds some light on the nagging issue of "why". Thank you for that.
In the end of the day, the current state of affair leaves all of us in Canada with a few if any options when it comes to strong ingredients that fight off the plant disease. It also makes it difficult to apply an educated advice or recommendation offered by other members like yourself, because so many products they relate to are not available here.(I've spent hours and hours on Amazon over the Holiday season trying to find a decent deal for some gardening products I was interested in. It's always the same story - they wouldn't ship it to Canada or the shipping prices are twice as much of the product's price that kills the deal......) Personally, I'm not happy about it at all but it is what it is.
For now, I would like to know what's the alternative solution(s) available on the Canadian market.
Have a good day.
WO
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01-06-2013, 04:08 PM
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Thanks for all the informative replies you guys truly amazing! I think i'm going to try and place an order for an 8oz bottle on ebay and hope for the best. I would really be interested in any easy to acquire alternatives for us canadians though also i was wondering if anyone knows of a long acting fungicide?? plant preservative mixture works wonders and lasts a year but it is soooo expensive... so if anyone knows of another fungicide that works for a long amount of time (at least a few months) without the need for reapplication. paclobutrazol works if your willing to deal with slowe growth times but that is something i would like to avoid optimally...
Thanks again for all the help everyone!
Best regards,
Kevin
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01-06-2013, 04:09 PM
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Go to Ray from First Rays he's
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01-06-2013, 04:10 PM
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Didn't finish that lol. He's the best!
A Bulbophyllo Imports
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01-06-2013, 05:00 PM
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And when I went to the Essex County OS in October, I had no issue taking it across the border. And I ship a lot into Canada, by the way.
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01-06-2013, 05:04 PM
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The only other options I know of are things like hydrogen peroxide, brown Listerine, garden sulfur and very benign stuff like that.
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Excuse my naivette, what's about brown Listerine? I mean, if it's of a different color - does it have a lesser quality and wouldn't work?
Thanks!
WO
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01-06-2013, 05:11 PM
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I don't know the entire history, but I believe it was available until a few years ago and then pulled. Canada seems to be very conservative in banning or de-regulating anything used for pesticide. You can't buy much or any weed n feed fertilizer anymore and many bug sprays that are commonly available across the border in places like Home Depot are no longer found here. It's likely healthier in the long run, but the earth will be over run with dandelions and nasty critters very soon. Or at least Canada will
It's a bit frustrating trying to be a gardener and keep a nice lawn and yard, never mind grow orchids!
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The last thing I came across recently and that really has ticked me off was that similar policies prevent municipalities from using poison on moles that ruin backyards and even cemetery properties. Apparently, you can only trap them or scare them off with some homemade devices like an iron rod stuck in the ground.
It's ridiculous, I know!
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01-06-2013, 05:27 PM
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Excuse my naivette, what's about brown Listerine? I mean, if it's of a different color - does it have a lesser quality and wouldn't work?
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Listerine has some antibacterial agents (for your mouth) and works on plants. Use only brown as the mint in the others could burn or harm the plants. that's the only reason.
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01-06-2013, 05:47 PM
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Excuse my naivette, what's about brown Listerine? I mean, if it's of a different color - does it have a lesser quality and wouldn't work?
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Lilia,
Listerine comes in multiple "flavors." The only kind that works for this purpose is the original Listerine which is a light brown liquid. Hope that helps
(I retired from the company, Johnson& Johnson, that makes Listerine )
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01-06-2013, 05:50 PM
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Listerine comes in multiple "flavors." The only kind that works for this purpose is the original Listerine which is a light brown liquid. Hope that helps
(I retired from the company, Johnson& Johnson, that makes Listerine )
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Listerine has some antibacterial agents (for your mouth) and works on plants. Use only brown as the mint in the others could burn or harm the plants. that's the only reason.
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Thanks so much for this, Carrie and Silken! Hmmmm..
One more thing I've learned today!
WO
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