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Old 08-06-2020, 10:14 AM
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WW you just nailed it. It is a balancing act. Especially with the false alarms (I hate this term. They are really lucky misses).

The truth is that as long as you have thought it out and have the plan you won’t panic and do something dumb like being out in a tornado to get that one special plant lol

I have a Hoya cutting from my grandmother (Bubby) and a Christmas cactus from my other grandmother (babci) and those always come in. The rest of the porch plants might get taken down and put on the ground so they don’t have a fall....I have just decided that the two are important and the others aren’t AS critical.
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The tornado thing just absolutely terrifies me WW. And I can't fathom having to deal with that at night when you can't even see what's after you. Ugh. I was thinking about a tornado while I was typing the original post and quickly came to the conclusion that not only wasn't there anything you could do to protect your plants but in fact if you were smart you wouldn't even stop to kiss them goodbye on your way to your shelter.
I could never live where tornado's are prevalent.

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The “safety” measure for the shed is basically a 3’ corkscrew that one twists into the ground on all four corners and then uses, you guessed it, ratchet straps to secure the structure..
DC- I have one of the corkscrews in each corner of my shadehouse. If you've never tried to "dig" in the Keys, you haven't lived. It's all limestone and no different than concrete. I borrowed a neighbor's jackhammer to dig the holes, put in the corkscrews and poured in a bag of cement. The screws are connected to the frame with turnbuckles.
The frame didn't have a scratch on it after Irma. Even all my PVC plumbing ziptied to the frame was OK. Not sure they'll do much good for your shed with 4 wind catching sides and a roof but hey, ya never know.
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i HAVE had that pleasure WITHOUT the jack hammer...just a 45lb breaker bar- id rather die than do that again...oh and it was to sink dock pilings....so there was also water and sand.



I built my shed with the help of a friend who is an architect and he and i went back and forth and actually built it 8" off the ground on footers...the shed is LIGHT and even full it is not heavy enough to hold down its size in full wind so, since it is in the protected area of the yard, we decided to allow wind to move around it on all sides and UNDER it....i have not much confidence ( i don't keep anything in there i don't plan on loosing, mostly Halloween decorations LOL) but it has made it through 5 years and a few 1/2's...nothing to really test it.






mounted plants often do well, ones in trees and such....not on a plaque - if the tree makes it, they USUALLY do, keysguy's story notwithstanding.
i read a story about a shed/workhouse in Louisiana that was COVERED in bougainvillea and devils vine and it held it in place in Katrina when the house was gone!!
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I had a tornado go right through my yard in KY. Went across the front yard, taking down a 90’ ash tree that fell the only way is could do no damage to anything, then it went in-between my house (we built it, moving in 5 months prior) and the greenhouse, with no damage to either.

When hurricane Florence was a category 4, we hauled ass out of here (it died a lot before landfall), but for Dorian and Isaias, we rode it out, with everything indoors.
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I had a tornado go right through my yard in KY.
Nasty. What scale was it? It probably wasn't an F5!!!!!

Could have been an F0.1

But seriously, I would hate to encounter or even be near a tornado! We do have some - sometimes in Australia - but I don't think they're like the ones in USA.
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We had an F3 skip across our back yard, take out neighbor's swingset and deck, hop to next neighbors, took off roof, then back up. They're unpredictable little devils!

The F5 back here in the sixties was devastating. Carved a mile wide path across the city. Missed our house by three blocks. I've been very, very fortunate.
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The F5 back here in the sixties was devastating. Carved a mile wide path across the city. Missed our house by three blocks. I've been very, very fortunate.
Oh ----- that one!!!!!!!! That could be the one when some dog and a girl from a farm house got sucked up. Dorothy something.

But seriously WW ---- have you got an underground bunker at your place? That's what I'd be building!!!!
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Tornado shelters are a common feature of homes in Tornado Alley. Many homes have had them dug into the ground since the 1800s:
Tornado Shelter Images

This woman is pointing to the shelter that undoubtedly saved her family's life from the Moore, Oklahoma tornado. Look at her neighborhood. The streets were lined with houses.

The deadly Moore tornado was beyond devastating. Much of the nation listened in on the radio during its long course across Oklahoma.
Enhanced Fujita scale:
EF0 65–85 mph Light damage
EF1 86–110 mph Moderate damage
EF2 111–135 mph Considerable damage
EF3 136–165 mph Severe damage
EF4 166–200 mph Devastating damage
EF5 200 mph Incredible damage
100 miles per hour (MPH) = 161 kilometers per hour

This video begins with two people watching the tornado develop while listening to the National Weather Service radio traffic describing what is happening. It is not easy to follow the radio conversation. This portion finishes around 14:50. Later it contains an assemblage of synchronized video following the tornado over the course of its life.

People without a dedicated shelter run to the smallest, heaviest-walled room in their basement, or on the ground floor if no basement. Without a basement, run to the bathroom and shelter in the bathtub. If you have time bring a mattress or heavy piece of furniture with you to cover yourself with it.

If caught outdoors, get on your face in the lowest ground you can find. A ditch works well. Wind speed is zero at ground level and rapidly increases. The majority of tornado deaths and injuries are from being struck by objects hurtling through the air, or falling on people in buildings.

Do not abandon your car and run up under a bridge overpass. This location is far more dangerous than face down in a ditch. Here is proof:
Highway Overpasses as Tornado Shelters: Fallout From the 3 May 1999 Oklahoma/Kansas Violent Tornado Outbreak

Note in slide 7 the silhouettes of people who took shelter under the overpass but were scoured away by flying dirt and gravel.

Key points for surviving:
Have a plan in advance.

Tornado paths are unpredictable. Don't rely on outrunning them. Most do move southwest to northeast, but they often make deviations.

Near the funnel rain is so heavy the funnel is usually not visible. Take shelter as soon as you hear the sirens.

Do not drive away to escape. Roads may be packed with other drivers. Many people killed in their cars left homes with no or slight damage.

If caught outside, get on the ground in the lowest place you can reach.

Get in the shelter. If you don't have one, get into the strongest interior room of your house. Cover yourself with a mattress or table if you can.
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Oh ----- that one!!!!!!!! That could be the one when some dog and a girl from a farm house got sucked up. Dorothy something.

But seriously WW ---- have you got an underground bunker at your place? That's what I'd be building!!!!
Some folks have tornado shelters, root cellars, bomb shelters (Cold War). For MANY folks, a basement is considered part of buying a house. I've always lived where there was a basement, other than a few years in a slab house and neighbors had an excellent bomb shelter.

Yeah, the Dorothy and Toto tornado was 1939... about sixteen years prior to my birth.

And good grief ES... you sound like public service announcements on the Kansas news stations!
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...public service announcements on the Kansas news stations!
When I lived in Missouri I was staggered by the number of people who had grown up there and had no idea of what to do when a tornado threatened.

I've been close enough not to see the funnel cloud in Springfield, Missouri, and I've seen the immediate aftermath less than 10 minutes after one went through Lebanon, Missouri. There was a big rig truck with 2 trailers upside down in the freeway median. The Bass boat factory, which occupied an area of over 2 square city blocks, was destroyed, and boat parts were scattered like confetti.
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