Oncidium NOID; need help with ID

[stefpix]

Yeah - I know it sucks - but what can you do - if you have experience you can maybe grow it anyway making a guess -
Just got for 10 $ at a show something marked Gptm. Giant 'Rhein Harlekin'
nothing exactly came up with google.

could be a Zygopetalum, or a Zygosepalum or a Galetotia x Zygopetalum...

Anyway I will see -
and dog breeds sometimes have different ailings, weaknesses, diets etc...
some breeds cool off easily in the summer some dont etc etc... so even with a dog it is better to know...

And with orchid hybrids - anyway there is genetic recombination - so you dont really know how much from one parent and how much from the other -
the mix is random.
Couldnt be a hybrid be really close to a parent or the other or something half way in culture?
If u mix a warm growing with a cool growing maybe you wont necessarily get intermediate...

[Hedge]

Stefpix wrote"And with orchid hybrids - anyway there is genetic recombination - so you dont really know how much from one parent and how much from the other -
the mix is random.
Couldnt be a hybrid be really close to a parent or the other or something half way in culture?
If u mix a warm growing with a cool growing maybe you wont necessarily get intermediate... "

I agree about genetic mixing being on-off rather than 50 -50 - I have long thin feet so I was pleased that my husband has short wide feet because I thought our kids would come out with those marvellous things, "average feet" - no way, Jose ! The son has my feet , the daughter her father's and guess what - if I thought getting long narrow shoes was hard, it's even harder for a boy/man

[Clarence Wood]

Problem solved! Believe it or not I found and exact match. It is an Odontocidium (used to be Colmanara) Wildcat ‘Green Valley’, so Blueszz
and Nick were right on. The bloom, when it is new is solid, deep yellow; a day or so later the lip turns white. Ray B sent me a photo of the Wildcat and it was an exact match.
Thank you all for your help.

[Jim]

Not sure which pic of the flower is yours. I bought a Colm. Wildcat "Bobcat" at Lowe's. It spiked not long after I purchased it but the blooms are not "Bobcat". I looked up as many Colmanara varieties as I could find and the perfect match for mine was "Everlasting". It looks exactly like the lower left pic in your post. It is yellow/green with red markings and the lip is white with red markings at the top and dusting of red on the lower half.

[stefpix]

No matter what you will never know for sure. you will have to live on with the doubt. maybe lose some sleep on it.
You go to Lowes and it is a hardware store basically.
It is like going to McDonald's and ask for a big Mac medium rare with Dijon mustard on the side.

Not going to happen. you go to a nursery you can buy the plant with the tag for forty bucks...

Anyway you can get close - more or less but you will never be absolutely sure of the parentage. unless you become best friend with the horticulturist from Costa farms.

I am just saying you can get close but you can never know for sure.

If you write to the grower they will not waste their time helping you.

after all it is 15 dollars vs 40.
the 25 dollars difference gives you the pedigree and the tag.

you can be zen about - think you saved 25 bucks and you have a plant that you really like.
Not ideal but an acceptable compromise.
stefano

[Jim]

I just read the post that your "noid" has 13 blooms on it. Mine has 12. I have included a pic and description from the 2004 South African Orchid Council award winner. The old saying "If it walks like a duck" comes to mind.


sepals and petals canary-yellow with chocolate- brown bars and blotches; lip cream overlaid with fine red spotting on skirt; central part of lip with maroon blotches. Substance firm, texture matte. The undulating margins and ruffled lip precluded a higher score.

[Clarence Wood]

Hi all,
Stefano: first off: you wrote: “you can be zen about - think you saved 25 bucks and you have a plant that you really like” that is not Zen its conservatism. Second: you forget the number of orchids a person kills when they first become enthralled with Orchids: the cost, in my case, would have been enormous had I purchased from respected dealers. Thirdly: when I started this quest I knew more about what I didn’t have than what I had. I now know, with 100% certainty, that my orchid is an Odontocidium (Colmanara) Wildcat. What is not certain is whether is a ‘Green Vally’, ‘Bobcat’, or 'Everlasting'; that doesn’t really matter as that is usually the name given by the grower not the botanist.
I guess what I am trying to say is that you are discouraging research into the ID of an Orchid without fully understanding the intrinsic learning benefits of such a quest: that’s the Zen of the thing.

Jim: Attached is the photo Ray B sent to me of OdcdmWildcat 'GreenValley'.

[Hedge]

Originally Posted by Clarence Wood

.....Second: you forget the number of orchids a person kills when they first become enthralled with Orchids: the cost, in my case, would have been enormous had I purchased from respected dealers. .

I must have been lucky - so far I have only lost one orchid (out of 30 plus) and that was my first and only after two years. I think you are correct though, it is better to learn on Noids, which is what the majority of mine are. Rescuing Noids gives me great satisfaction

[stefpix]

hi
I meant sometimes it is hard to pinpoint exactly. I am learning on NOIDs i got for a dollar. I know they are phals and hard cane Dendrobiums...

I think it is great to use the forum and the internet t find out more.


Anyway I thin many plants at those dept stores come with tags and get misplaced once they are in the store...