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Old 09-18-2008, 10:30 PM
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Motorized sprayer?
Now I am really interested. Is it on wheels and can you recommend one?
This is the one I use for fertilizing the chids:
Rechargeable Garden Sprayer from Black and Decker

I love it but there is one design flaw that I'm not crazy about. You must keep the button pressed down with your thumb, there's no way to lock it in. I have problems with my hands and this sometimes creates a problem for me. On those days, there are lots of rest-breaks in between spraying.

This is the one that gets used every day:
Gilmour 2000P Sprayer - Sprayer Outlet
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Old 09-18-2008, 11:18 PM
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Soonix and Sandy

Although I have been growing in water culture, out of necessity and curiosity, for over 5 years I am always interested in other people's experience since I feel I have a lot to learn. Sharry Baby and Bl.Sunset Glory are some of my "Mermaids" which can be transplanted anytime in my conditions.

First, I grow indoors with a shallow sunroom addition that is part of my study, as you can see in my previous picture. Most important, in the winter I use supplemental light 12=14 hours/day. The humidity is below 40% much of the time, fans going most of the time, temperatures ranging from 67 to 88 (depending on sun light in the N.E. )in the Winter. In the Summer it might briefly reach 99F. If you look at my gallery you can see what I have bloomed in early Spring.

Of course, it is best to transplant anything when it is not in some kind of natural resting period. However, when you have bad roots, on a robust plant and you grow indoors?

My evolving practice, if you are interested:

After I immerse the entire plant in a large container of plant food and KLN for 2 to 4 hours for the "Last Supper" with uppers. I cut off all rotten roots and amputate diseased or senile(obviously non-working root) and parts of otherwise healthy roots that are diseased. All old roots will die anyway which then have to be removed. However, some healthier roots, before their short life in an alien medium, will actually sprout new branches to keep supplying the plant with water and nutrients, if only temporarily(Oh the right genes!). So if I think I have the future time commitment, and really care for the plant, I go for this tedious process. You can see the gouged out parts in this Catt. rhizome in this picture. The new growth also had its root plate rotted and had to put out a feeble new lead under water before any roots were produced (see picture) and all leaves were puckered then plumped up. It actually bloomed great 2 years later in water culture.

If I am pressed for time I just cut off all roots, especially on robust Catts. I did not notice a difference with them except that it is much less work. The goal is to keep rot producing organisms to a minimum so that the plant has an even chance to fight them (similar to what we do to treat infections in mammals).

I now rate plants for resistance to rot, which seem to vary greatly, and probably also influenced by whether they are virussed or not ( just like someone with AIDS succumbs to all kinds of infection others can fight). Many of my novelty oncidium hybrids that did poorly actually showed flagrant signs of virus on new growth eventually, sometimes after 2 years (What a bummer! You probably take a 50/50 chance with these).

If there are two or more healthy robust pseudobulbs to supply the new growth, now I remove the senile backbulbs with black rot on rhizomes immediately. If I feel forced to keep the sick ones, I surgically remove the rotted parts with a razor blade or scalpel, treat with Gentian Violet 1%. If there is no sign of deep rot I just clean with drugstore hydrogen peroxide full strength, change solutions more frequently, and hope for the best. I alway keep a freshly-poured cup of peroxide (as you probably know it turns into water and oxygen quickly in air) with cotton swabs which I keep handy when I groom my orchids, so this is easy. However, lately, I have stayed away from buying such sick plants unless I just feel like experimenting with new treatments. (I even carry a Jeweler's magnifier when I plan to shop.)

Once in the culture medium I try to keep all roots covered with solution, and if necessary, tie the plant on something like plastic spoons and forks and slant as needed to accomplish this. I usually end up keeping a little bit of Onc. pseudobulbs and all Catt. rhizomes submerged.

If I don't see healthy algae growth soon, but instead I see brown deposit on the container, I debreed the rotten stuff, treat for infection again and repeat this until it is eliminated or I give up on the plant. Sometimes this culling is easy because I may end up with 2-3 sections that were no longer attached functionally to the original little pseudobulbs that came with the plant and had to be severed in the original cleaning process.
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Old 09-18-2008, 11:27 PM
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Thank you very much for your reply.
I too have to spare my fingers.
Once I had a sprayer that allowed a lock but I can no longer find it. I will let you know if I find something that locks.
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Old 09-18-2008, 11:34 PM
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Sun rm.N.E., I just read your post (#12, above) but need to really concentrate on everything you've just explained here. I sent this thread over to my email and will read every detail again later.

I thank you so very much for this in-depth explanation and process you've just expounded on in this practice I've never heard or knew of.

I've got a Miltassia that may be just the right candidate for this.

Your one plant that you've posted is amazing. I'm going to have a look now at your gallery pics.

Again, Thank You.
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Old 09-18-2008, 11:42 PM
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Thank you for the answer, I think i will have to go find a catt and see how it goes, i also have NOID phal keiki that should make for a good and cheap experiment. I currently have a backbulb of a Odbrs Kenneth Bivens sitting in a glass of rain water outside. It had no roots what so ever but its still green so... Thank you for all the tips Sun rm.
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Old 09-18-2008, 11:43 PM
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It would help if you specified which Miltassia since they vary widely in their tolerance to environmental conditions and would be useful to see a picture of the plant and top of the roots if this is easy for you.
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Old 09-18-2008, 11:52 PM
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Me again sorry I assume that some genera make better subjects than other which ones in your experience should we keep away from the water? Would a vanda be a good subject? I already have them in vases and i leave a bit of water in the bottom for humidity and i have a decent amount of algea growing in these vases. Also do you still feed the chids or do they get the nutrients from the algea.

Thank you for your patience with me.
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Old 09-19-2008, 12:08 AM
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Phals have not done well for me in water culture. The water kept creeping up into the center of the leaves causing crown rot. However, at that time I was not as rigorous in treating infection.
Now I simply buy Phals with healthy looking roots, cut off all rotten roots, treat with Gentian Violet and put them in S/H. I have tried this only in Spring and Summer so far. There is another post in the Semi Hydro Forum where someone is experimenting with growing Phals in water culture with a slightly different technique and I am curious about what his long term results will be.
I got my first bit of credible information from a former vendor's website, Vengers, who grew and bloomed all kinds of plants including Nobile dendrobiums (with starve and chill treatment for them in Winter) in water culture. They reported that although they could grow Phals in water culture, they definitely did better in other media. They also advised not to go below 6oF in temp for most orchids. As you saw before I go a bit lower at night but I believe that providing adequate supplemental light in the Winter, which goes along with higher temperatures while the lights are on, changes the equation somewhat.
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Old 09-19-2008, 01:16 AM
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Sun rm.N.E., I just did a repot of the Miltassia Shelob, from a 6" to 4" pot. I had been underwatering this. The plant (seemed) to never quite dry enough and I was reluctant with watering....wrong move, I know now. I cut off a few spent bulbs and again, not enough...it needs more trimming. The root ball was massive and also, a lot of dead roots. I did a major surgery on this and am now trying to plump it back up.

Before I switched to non organic potting material (LECA) for my Catts, I used to cut ALL their roots down before repotting. That was the best advice I ever received. I'd always give a hormone bath before repotting. I'm not sure if this method would work for my Miltassia. Sorry, I haven't any pics of the roots, as they look, presently.

Miltassia Shelob 'Tolkien'

Before and After

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Old 09-19-2008, 04:46 PM
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Fascinating concept - what part of the US do you live in? I'm guessing it must be somewhere warm? Enjoyed looking through your gallery. How often do you completely change the water or do you?
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