I am sooo angry with our govenor!

[AnonYMouse]

And the activist interpreters of the constitution.


(Sorry again, couldn't help myself.)

[Subrosa]

Originally Posted by AnonYMouse

And the activist interpreters of the constitution.


(Sorry again, couldn't help myself.)

The real question is whether you would as vehemently condemn judicial activism with which you politically agree?

[MattWoelfsen]

Originally Posted by Stray59

I think I am bowing out of this for a while....I would suggest that others do also. I never intended for a thread to cause hard feelings on the Board and I do hope that this all stays right here and does not somehow translate into negative interactions on the rest of the Board.

As I said earlier - we will not settle this debate here. I was initially just venting and upset over a large step back in our state's culture and a huge blow to our economy.....this topic could really careen out of control and if it goes that way I will request the thread be deleted.

I think I will go back to orchids now......I am not as pissed off at Pence, but I am concerned that this will go into some really ugly places.

Please do not allow that to happen.........

---------- Post added at 02:09 AM ---------- Previous post was at 01:51 AM ----------

I have asked a super moderator to review this post and to block or remove it if she deems it appropriate to do so.

I do regret if I brought any friction to members of the board - we have enough of that in life as it is.

Have a good week everyone!

Unfortunately, for me, I have a better understanding of the thought processes of every single person that has opined on this thread.

This discussion reminds me of the song "I See Your True Colors"
"You with the sad eyes
Don't be discouraged
Oh I realize
Its hard to take courage
In a world full of people
You can lose sight of it all
And the darkness inside you
Can make you feel so small.

But I see your true colors
Shining through
I see your true colors
And that's why I love you
So don't be afraid to let them show
Your true colors
True colors are beautiful,
Like a rainbow."

It works both ways. I agree, this thread should be closed.

[Subrosa]

Originally Posted by MattWoelfsen

Unfortunately, for me, I have a better understanding of the thought processes of every single person that has opined on this thread.

This discussion reminds me of the song "I See Your True Colors"
"You with the sad eyes
Don't be discouraged
Oh I realize
Its hard to take courage
In a world full of people
You can lose sight of it all
And the darkness inside you
Can make you feel so small.

But I see your true colors
Shining through
I see your true colors
And that's why I love you
So don't be afraid to let them show
Your true colors
True colors are beautiful,
Like a rainbow."

It works both ways. I agree, this thread should be closed.

Yes, but fortunately asserting that one understands the thought processes of people one has never met based upon a few words over the internet pretty much precludes one from understanding the level of temerity required to make the assertion in the first place.

[desertanimal]

Originally Posted by Subrosa

I was wondering if someone would stoop to the point of playing the Nazi card. Hopefully the post was alcohol induced. Probably time to go before I say something even a fraction as reprehensible as this person just did. Forum rules prevent any reply that even approaches expressing the level of contempt such simple minded comments on such important matters elicits in me.

The "Nazi card" wasn't a low blow. The Nazi card is the logical extension of support for state-sanctioned discrimination. So is the "Blacks not served here" card. You can support the right to discriminate if you want, and I don't necessarily disagree with you in my gut about the wedding cake or pizza issues, specifically. But it is a slippery slope that logically concludes with "Jews, Blacks, and gays not served here." In fact, there was just a news story about how, in NC, it's possible that first responders could justifiably refuse to care for gay people under laws such as these. That is the logically inexorable conclusion to the position of "It's ok for public businesses to exclude x, y, or z," and pointing that out is not a low blow.

Non-profit religious organizations, of course, can and should be able to discriminate against whomever they wish. But for-profit businesses regulated by the state are a different matter.

(edited because I originally messed up the quotation function)

[No-Pro-mwa]

Originally Posted by Stray59

Paul Mc - I totally agree - I was just venting last night, and then it led to this. I do appreciate everyone remaining respectful, and I know I can be blunt, but I really never intend to offend anyone. That is just not the type of person I am....and I do know that I do hit some buttons at times, but it is not out of anger or to be in your face. I try to just respond as directly as I can, but am not the "name-calling" type and do appreciate that the members here have always shown the same respect for me and this public forum......I think it is because we all love orchids, which by default means you are a good person, but that may just be me!
I am just sensitive right now as we are really concerned how this will effect the lives of the GLBT community here in Indiana....hopefully the changes to the law will keep everyone happy.
And I am also a little bewildered why, when Indiana simply drafted the same law that almost half of the States already have on the books, we became such a target, except for the possibility that those who wanted to see Pence fail at his run for whatever other office he wanted were the ones that blew this into a national debate.
I really hate politics.

I hate politicians and I think you are exactly right, this is about politics. My opinion of course. I think all this hubbub is from just a few people. It's so sad that your State is being targeted. It's not fare. Oh and who do I hate as much or more than politicians, the main stream media. They don't give you the news any more just what they want you to know. They give you only the facts they want to give you not all the facts so one can make up there own minds.

Show of hands on how many have heard of the Mus slum bakery that refused to make a cake for the gay couples wedding. This is all about targeting Christians (once again my opinion) .

I just don't have enough information about if I think this law was necessary or not. As I read your interpretation it sounds like it was already there, but there must have been something else to it. I would have to look into it before giving an opinion of it.

And Stray, I have not gotten that you are being nasty or rude at all. I understand you were just venting. I think we all have to sometimes. I could go on a big rant and have read and re-read some of this post then went back and forth about posting on it. I have not posted what I was going to originally say. It kind of went bad.

Well not to bad yet. I do not see why it needs to, we all have our opinions that's what makes the world go round. How boring if we all had the same one. I know that's what some people want but the constitution says at least for now we CAN have one.

Also stray I love your new avatar, we need to see a picture of that orchid or have we already?

[Ray]

• While it has been skirted around, has anyone here considered the concept of "How would THEY like to be treated"? Treating others like you'd like to be treated seems like a pretty reasonable approach.
  
  (I will use same-sex marriages for examples, but this applies equally well to religions, interracial marriages, divorces, abortions, assisted suicides, etc., etc.)
  
  
• If you think same sex marriages are bad, 1) don't marry anyone of the same sex and 2) don't try to make others feel bad who don't agree with you.
  
  
• I am not gay. In fact, one of my sisters-in-law refers to me as a "flaming heterosexual". I am happily married, and I fail to see how gay couples are a threat to me or my marriage. I hope everyone ends up in a relationship as good as mine - with no other qualifications. If you want to bring up the "costs to taxpayers for benefits" excuses, I suggest you go back and reread my first comment, then think about the fact that allowing job-provided-, or taxpayer provided benefits to be extended to the spouse in a same-sex relationship, is cheaper than trying to correct really big health issues in emergency rooms.
  
  
• Anyone in business who decides for ANY reason not to sell to someone, in my opinion, deserves to go out of business due to their self-limited customer base.

[Leafmite]

Originally Posted by MattWoelfsen

Unfortunately, for me, I have a better understanding of the thought processes of every single person that has opined on this thread.

This discussion reminds me of the song "I See Your True Colors"
"You with the sad eyes
Don't be discouraged
Oh I realize
Its hard to take courage
In a world full of people
You can lose sight of it all
And the darkness inside you
Can make you feel so small.

But I see your true colors
Shining through
I see your true colors
And that's why I love you
So don't be afraid to let them show
Your true colors
True colors are beautiful,
Like a rainbow."

It works both ways. I agree, this thread should be closed.

Cyndi Lauper

[katrina]

Originally Posted by No-Pro-mwa

Oh and who do I hate as much or more than politicians, the main stream media. They don't give you the news any more just what they want you to know. They give you only the facts they want to give you not all the facts so one can make up there own minds.

Amen, Sister!

[Brooke]

The media goes searching for the story they want and then they give it to us regardless of any truth.

Perfect example - UVA rape story. The story fell apart and so much damage has been done to the UVA and the fraternity. The fraternity is now going to sue Rolling Stone. I hope they enjoy the RS money. BTW the reporter apologized to everyone BUT the fraternity.

The other example is the reporter finding the one religious family pizza parlor in Small Town IN, 20 miles from the South Bend TV station who employed her.

She asked a hypothetical question to the owner who had already said she would serve a gay person but couldn't, according to her religion, serve pizza at a wedding reception.

Invent a story and go in search of the answer you want.

Anon-Y-Mouse - the pizza business will have to pay taxes on the Go Fund Me donations - state and Federal.

Brooke