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Old 05-29-2013, 11:55 AM
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Thanks again, Carrie.
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Old 05-29-2013, 12:39 PM
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This is the only one I have bought so far and only thing I've seen in stores.

I've seen a large and single flowered ones at a garden long time ago.

I much prefer this rose shaped gardenia.

I love the fragrance so I buy them everytime I see them, but I don't keep them.
They are like spidermites magnets in my apartment. also they drop yellow leaves like crazy as well. lol

I don't see how your family couldn't care less about such beautiful and fragrant flowers.
Interesting. They most widely available variety down here is veitchii, closely followed by mystery.
August beauty is supposedly winter hardy to zone seven. Might be why it's the one that's sold so often in your area.
I prefer the rose ones as well. But the single ones are generally small bushes, and the varying differences in form and scent are really pleasing to me. I'm endlessly fascinated by the differences in gardenias.

That's also interesting! I have about 5 August beauties planted in a semi circle around a pink angel trumpet. This whole year has been (and still is) a huge battle with spider mites on the angel trumpet, but my gardenias remain untouched.


My family didn't care much about flowers in general, and half of them despise fragrance. So the combo leads to a general disinterest in my garden.

Sometimes something catches their eye. Never what I expect though. Last time it was a basic purple clematis.


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I love the smell of gardenias. How envious I am that you can grow them outdoors. Here is my gardenia story.

I have had this plant for 39 years! When I was a freshman in College (in1974-1975), I got it for free from the Coca Cola company. Back in those days, vending machines provided Coke in paper cups. If you sent in a large number of proof-of-purchase seals from the cups, you got a plant. It came bare rooted in a plastic bag in a business envelope via the mail. Now it is about 4 feet tall and almost as wide. It is potted - outdoors in summer and indoors in winter. I am continually fighting scale and mealy bugs on it, but I refuse to give up. It's been blown over in storms and the top broken off multiple times. It will bloom shortly on my patio and the entire area will smell wonderful. My husband keeps encouraging me to take a cutting and get rid of the big plant - I just can't do it.

I took this picture a few years ago.
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39 years? That's impressive!
I've got 3 that are at least 15 years old but wow!
What a great deal... drink the soda your gonna drink anyway and get a gardenia.

What a beautiful flower. From the picture and description I'd like to think it's a veitchii, but there are some similar hybrids and all that jazz.

Take a cutting! Although almost all gardenias are grafted, they are even more temperamental own root lol. But who knows, that may be the secret to success.
But still keep the big plant.





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I love gardenias and have a couple of blooming size plants in buckets. They grow beautifully but the buds drop off. I've tried them in full sun and in semi-shade. Moist, not soaked. Fert monthly. What's the secret to success with these babies?
I wish I could tell you. Gardenias seem to decide on their own.

I have two August beauties in my back planter, directly next to each other. Literally a foot apart. After around 6 months one is thriving, the other is dying.
Can't figure out why. Same thing had happened with a few other varieties as well.

I can tell you what I do.

My soil is half azalea/camellia soil, and well composted horse manure.

I water... um... maybe once a week? I've noticed a little too wet is a faster track to issues than a little too dry.

I mulch with oak leaf mold, and fertilize after each flush of blooms with some azalea fertiliser.

Part sun, mine get a few hours of direct sun on the morning or afternoon. Or both, but dappled light the test of the day. Full sun is a great way to kill gardenias in my area.

That's it. The first year is the most critical with a gardenia. My really established bushes are not picky at all.
They live in alkaline soil, never get fertilized, and only get watered every few weeks or so. And I don't water them at all for half the year.

What else... They don't like frost. I don't get frost here so that's not an issue. They don't mind cold temps, but frost is a no.
Mine get down to the mid twenties to thirties every year for months.

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Old 05-29-2013, 12:55 PM
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I forgot the twice a year applications of iron. 3 or 4 applications for the potted one's.

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Old 05-29-2013, 01:14 PM
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Well I went out to check if any of the other gardenias were blooming. Sadly no.
However I did take even more photos of the ones you've already seen!
I can tell your all excited.

First photo is of my two August beauties side by side. The one on the left is healthy, the right one is wilted and drying for reasons unknown.

The second photo is of one of the clusters of buds the August beauty produces. It's my only rose type gardenia that does that.

Third is a fully open August beauty blossom. I'm not sure if they are supposed to open more, or if that's the final stage. It never opens more than that in my yard, and I'm happy with that. It is a really pleasing form to me. And I especially love it floating in a bowl of water.

The fourth photo is my white gem yesterday, the fifth is it today. Look how many blooms it's opening this morning! With tons more to come

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Old 05-29-2013, 02:02 PM
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I think mine are the 'rose' type of gardenia and I guess I'll keep them and keep on hoping for flowers. Thanks for the input.
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Old 05-29-2013, 03:26 PM
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Gardenias are my absolute favorite fragrance. Jasmines and classic orchid fragrance are wonderful but gardenia is the absolute best.

I have one gardenia in a pot in my plant room. I bought it last year with a few flowers on it and it has a few new flower buds on it now.

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I forgot the twice a year applications of iron. 3 or 4 applications for the potted one's.
Yes, I was watering mine with my watering wand that has added nutrients for my orchids but I discovered that the amount of minor essential elements in that was not enough for the gardenia. The gardenia started showing severe interveinal chlorosis and dropping leaves. Several times a week now I water it with an additional minor element supplement containing 60 ppm of iron from ferrous sulfate plus proportional amounts of copper, zinc, boron and molybdenum and that is correcting the chlorosis.

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Old 05-30-2013, 11:11 AM
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Gardenias are my absolute favorite fragrance. Jasmines and classic orchid fragrance are wonderful but gardenia is the absolute best.

I have one gardenia in a pot in my plant room. I bought it last year with a few flowers on it and it has a few new flower buds on it now.


Yes, I was watering mine with my watering wand that has added nutrients for my orchids but I discovered that the amount of minor essential elements in that was not enough for the gardenia. The gardenia started showing severe interveinal chlorosis and dropping leaves. Several times a week now I water it with an additional minor element supplement containing 60 ppm of iron from ferrous sulfate plus proportional amounts of copper, zinc, boron and molybdenum and that is correcting the chlorosis.
They are wonderful aren't they? Im not sure if they are my favorite fragrance. Definitely the one that I'm most fond of though.
They are in the top 5 though.
Actually, I've never thought about it until you mentioned your favorite, but I'm not sure what my favorite flower fragrance is.
I'm going to have to think on that.

They are quite the greedy feeders aren't they?
I'm constantly having to add in doses of something or other to the new ones.
Mainly iron though lol.

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Old 05-30-2013, 11:24 AM
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I think mine are the 'rose' type of gardenia and I guess I'll keep them and keep on hoping for flowers. Thanks for the input.
Hmm... Well here's the list of reasons buds have dropped for me over the years.
Maybe it'll help... Maybe lol.

Warm roots. All my potted gardenias are in thick glazed clay because it keeps the roots cooler. Plastic pots warm to roots up too much, which is great for growth but not for blooming.
Extreme temperature fluctuations.
Inconsistent watering.
Once it was because of low humidity. We had a freakishly dry month and they all dropped off. We average around 40% - 60%.
Afternoon sun. My general rule with planting gardenias is, sun anytime before 12 and after 5 is fine. In between 12 and 5 causes issues for me.
Moving around. Gardenias hate being moved. Once I plant it or place the pot where I want it it does not get moved. They love to sulk if you move them around.

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Old 05-30-2013, 11:49 AM
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Hmm... Well here's the list of reasons buds have dropped for me over the years.
Maybe it'll help... Maybe lol.

Warm roots. All my potted gardenias are in thick glazed clay because it keeps the roots cooler. Plastic pots warm to roots up too much, which is great for growth but not for blooming.
Extreme temperature fluctuations.
Inconsistent watering.
Once it was because of low humidity. We had a freakishly dry month and they all dropped off. We average around 40% - 60%.
Afternoon sun. My general rule with planting gardenias is, sun anytime before 12 and after 5 is fine. In between 12 and 5 causes issues for me.
Moving around. Gardenias hate being moved. Once I plant it or place the pot where I want it it does not get moved. They love to sulk if you move them around.

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Hmmm....let's see. Mine are in unglazedclay pots, watered when starting to dry. That said, the rainy season is upon us. Low humidity here is not the problem but sun in the afternoon may be. So far, they are growing new leaves and looking good and I'm hoping the bud drop is just that they are acclimating to new surroundings. If not - well - my friend's yard will welcome them...and I'll be the one sulking. LOL
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Old 05-30-2013, 11:53 AM
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Hmmm....let's see. Mine are in unglazedclay pots, watered when starting to dry. That said, the rainy season is upon us. Low humidity here is not the problem but sun in the afternoon may be. So far, they are growing new leaves and looking good and I'm hoping the bud drop is just that they are acclimating to new surroundings. If not - well - my friend's yard will welcome them...and I'll be the one sulking. LOL
They're new?
If they're new to your yard and growing leaves. I would just leave them.
It's really common for new transplants to drop buds.
And the new leaves are a great sign.

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