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Old 09-11-2013, 09:28 PM
LadySoren LadySoren is offline
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Ello, me again...

So my husband who is in COMPLETE denial that he has been bitten by that Mr. Orchid bug- He secretly ordered me a Ludisia discolor because he thought *I* needed something that looked cool when not in bloom.
(We also have a Phal. Chiada Stacy 'Chocolate Drop' on the way because he thinks almost black is neat and I do too)

ANYWAY

Could someone please list me some Ludisa care (pix are nice too)... souring the interwebs is difficult for this one, I'm not sure why. Any you tube videos are not in English and blogs often use terms I don't know.

Right now each little plant is in the shape of an "L". I have about 4 or 5 of these L shaped plants all in one 3 or 4 inch plastic pot (not shallow) Should I repot separately or together? Which way do the L's face the edge of the pot? AKA what direction do they grow laterally? Do I put the "back" flat side of the L up against the pot, or the other way, or does it even matter?
Nothing against side, all should be toward center??

Does the bottom of the L get buried or lay on top of the soil? Right now they would flop over if I just lay it so I buried them, hope that's ok for now.

Should I repot in a wide shallow dish or a deep 3" pot like it/ they are currently in?

Do they need a temp drop to bloom?

How do you divide them? (Don't say "you divide it like you would a such-in-such plant/orchid" bc I have never taken care of a dividable plant before so I won't know what you're talking about.)

What do the roots look like? I can't tell what's what with all the soil and I don't want to destroy by washing them off. Should I tho? I'm used to Phals if you can use terminology/imagery I can understand.

Terms-
What's a rhizome? Does this have one/them?
Whats the difference between a stem and branch? (the same?)
Which parts can you make cuttings of?
Where do bloom spikes emerge from?

Sorry so many ?s!
THANKS!!!
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Old 09-13-2013, 01:30 PM
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Wow~ You have a great husband!

Ludisia discolor require constant moist (no sopping wet) potting mix and I bet yours came in some dark moist mix. That is what you want to use.

The need low light, I would say put them near bright window but away from the direct sun as that will bleach out the black leaves. Very bright enough to read a book without any direct sun light reaches would be ideal I would say.
They do get tall and leggy in not so attractive way under too little light, so keep that in mind.

They grow horizontally kind of like cattleya, I hope you have seen how cattleyas grow.
I'm not sure what to call the plant part of ludisia, but there is this fat fleshy part that creeps. so maybe it is rhizome.
See where that part (let's call it rhizome for convenience for now) is located as that is how you want to keep it.
You will probably see it about half covered. It is not supposed to be completely covered as doing so tends to rot the plant. Leave it exposed but the bottom most end of it sitting on top of the potting mix is the best.

The new growths continues to grow outward, so you want the rhizome facing the center of the pot and the actual growth part with the leaves on facing away from the center. As the plants get larger, they put out multiple growths all over the place, but the whole thing will grow outward.
Now, if you are windowsill grower with light source coming in from one direction, ludisia, like any other plant, will lean toward the light. You can turn the pot every few days to prevent it, or grow ludisia under light. They do well under light.

Regarding flowering requirement, I never got to see flowers on mine, so I can't really advise on this.

Roots are very fine like "regular" houseplant and you don't want to mess with it unless you really have to.

Dividing can be done by splitting apart the growths, but I don't recommend unless each plant gets quite large wth many growths going many directions.

Remember, keep the mix moist but not wet, it will quickly rot your plant.

They also need warm environment. They don't do cool, which also tend to rot them easily.

Stems are any "main" shoot as in tree trunk or the main shoot of say pepper plant. Whatever shoot that grows out (or branches out) of this part is branch.

rhizome is also a kind of stem, but one that grows along or under the ground. Ginger root (which is not really root but stem) is a great example.

You can make cuttings of the fleshy part of Ludisia, but it is best to leave the plant to grow large and then divide.

Bloom spike is supposed to come out of the center of each growth, although I have never seen one on mine. I saw a bunch at a show though.
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Old 09-13-2013, 04:43 PM
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Yep it can in dark moist soil

I haven't seen how catts grow. :-/
But I think I understand in theory.

As I said, it's kind of like an L shap, so you said don't bury the bottom fleshy, horizontal, part? Oops. I'll have to bring them closer to the top. How do they take root? Mine don't seem to have much in that department or maybe they just stay very short. I think I need a shallower dish instead of pot.

So for splitting its basically cutting part off?

I wonder why yours never bloomed. I hope mine does. By its leaves are pretty enough.

Thanks for your help

---------- Post added at 03:43 PM ---------- Previous post was at 03:42 PM ----------

Oops typos

*came in dark soil

I'm sure you can figure out why I meant in my other typos. Sorry
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Old 09-14-2013, 09:53 AM
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I'm not quite sure what you mean by the L-Shape, however mine grow fleshy parts, and thinner roots, but the roots are very 'fuzzy' if seen washed and usually have a lot of the soil clinging to them.

I wouldn't worry if some of the fleshy part is buried, these can grow along under the soil and pop up somewhere else. In my case this was a case of growing down and out through the bottom of the pot in three places, when I finally opened up the pot (cut the pot off, I found a whole mixture of the fleshy stems and the roots crammed into the pot so hardly any soil was left. (I had planted it as just one stem with it's base buried but it had grown so many more both above and below the medium.

I find I don't purposefully divide... as they get big older stems might just drop off. I root them in a cup of water first, (which is the main time I see the fuzzy roots) once it's got lots of root stubs I pot up in potting compost, possibly with a bit of bark or perlite mixed in, but they can do fine in plain potting compost.

I don't do much to get them to flower. The growths flower in the autumn/early winter and they don't flower in the first year of each growth. This meant that when I first got it in flower (on all growths) the next year it didn't flower because all the new growths were from that growing season, the next year it flowered on the previous year's growths. It flowers out the top of a growth so does not continue to grow from that point after flowers, but usually branches and the new branch grows, then flowers the following year. It's also the branching points that may naturally break apart as they get older, allowing you to pot up the branch as a new plant.

I treat these pretty much as standard house plants. Watering when they dry out and not really doing anything special with them.
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Old 09-15-2013, 02:16 AM
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Yep it can in dark moist soil

I haven't seen how catts grow. :-/
But I think I understand in theory.

As I said, it's kind of like an L shap, so you said don't bury the bottom fleshy, horizontal, part? Oops. I'll have to bring them closer to the top. How do they take root? Mine don't seem to have much in that department or maybe they just stay very short. I think I need a shallower dish instead of pot.

So for splitting its basically cutting part off?

I wonder why yours never bloomed. I hope mine does. By its leaves are pretty enough.

Thanks for your help

---------- Post added at 03:43 PM ---------- Previous post was at 03:42 PM ----------

Oops typos

*came in dark soil

I'm sure you can figure out why I meant in my other typos. Sorry

Yeah, the horizontal part should not be completely buried, but at least the top half should be exposed.
This plant has fine roots like "regular" plants.
I remember mine has tons of hair like roots all over in the "soil".
I didn't mind not seeing flowers as I do not find flowers pretty on this plant, but the leaves are very nice to look at.

When dividing, you can just split parts apart.
They come apart quite easily. You just have to exert slight force but they basically break off. apply some sulfur powder or let the cut end dry, then pot them up.

---------- Post added at 01:16 AM ---------- Previous post was at 01:12 AM ----------

Rosie- By L shape, she means just that.
You know how this plant grows upright but there is this creeping part that lie horizontal right along the soil? So if you look at it from the side, I guess you can call it L shape, and I think it makes perfect sense to me.
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Old 09-29-2013, 03:31 PM
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thanks guys (sorry, I haven't gotten to responding)

now I just have to find a good shallow container to plant them in. For now in a 4' pot, but there's like 5 individual plants in that and they will out grow quickly. That's just how it was sent to me.
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Old 09-29-2013, 03:42 PM
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Bonsai pots?

I love bonsai, I'm not sure I would be any good at growing and caring for one, maybe I'll get brave someday. The pots are shallower than usual pots though.
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Old 09-29-2013, 03:51 PM
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That's a good idea
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