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hbozeman 05-20-2015 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by shadytrake (Post 752788)
As FYI, I got my three project plants from Clown Alley. They have excellent plants and very large. John and Sandy are super nice.
Clown Alley Orchids

I got mine there, too. If you ever get a chance to go there in person, Salvadore will treat you like royalty!!!

No-Pro-mwa 05-20-2015 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by shadytrake (Post 752788)
As FYI, I got my three project plants from Clown Alley. They have excellent plants and very large. John and Sandy are super nice.
Clown Alley Orchids

I did look at there's and it does seem like I found a couple more I really wanted. I am trying to get it some where that I can get something on my wish list. I'm trying not to find MORE things on my list :rofl: get my drift. I will take a look at them again. I have ordered from J&L before ans have been very happy with the plants so that was one reason.

It may be this one is the right one if it just has yellow in the lip as AussieVanda posted. I kind of want all white but when things bloom there may be several with some yellow :shock: who knows.

Leafmite 05-20-2015 01:54 PM

J&L looks like they have the right one.

Traveling companions are very important. I bought two Angraecums from Windswept in Time just to keep the Amesiella company.

ChryT 05-20-2015 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by shadytrake (Post 752788)
As FYI, I got my three project plants from Clown Alley. They have excellent plants and very large. John and Sandy are super nice.
Clown Alley Orchids

I saw the photos of your robust healthy plants. I believe they saved all the healthy plants to the show. >.< I received a mail order of 9 plants from them last Wednesday and the condition of the plants were the worst of the worst. Tiny, rootless, and rotted. Complained about it right away and no reply.

RandomGemini 05-20-2015 05:46 PM

Did you call them? I am not entirely sure these folks understand email. I sent them an email. They were one of the last to reply and I had to explain to them what OrchidBoard was and still never got an answer to my question from them.

ChryT 05-20-2015 09:14 PM

LOL. Well, John and Sandy both replied my email. Yesterday morning John said he would investigate and I am still waiting for his final answer. I doubt he will send me replacements because 3 plants were rootless, 1 with rotted bulb, 2 with blackened base. When I opened my package I knew something was wrong because the shredded newspaper was very moist. After I unpotted them only found two plant have a decent root system, the rest were either rootless or with two or three very short roots


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No-Pro-mwa 05-21-2015 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Leafmite (Post 752795)
J&L looks like they have the right one.

Traveling companions are very important. I bought two Angraecums from Windswept in Time just to keep the Amesiella company.

Good then, I will place my order. I guess if it is one that has a bit of yellow then it just is. I don't think I better count my chickens yet any how as I just may kill it before it ever blooms. And if it does live who knows if it will bloom for me any how. I'm not trying to be a downer just a realist please.gif

shadytrake 05-22-2015 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by ChryT (Post 752862)
LOL. Well, John and Sandy both replied my email. Yesterday morning John said he would investigate and I am still waiting for his final answer. I doubt he will send me replacements because 3 plants were rootless, 1 with rotted bulb, 2 with blackened base. When I opened my package I knew something was wrong because the shredded newspaper was very moist. After I unpotted them only found two plant have a decent root system, the rest were either rootless or with two or three very short roots
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I am sure they will take care of it. As FYI, John is an AOS judge and is on the road A LOT for shows. Sandy is on the AOS Education Committee and travels with him. They are probably rarely at home during the spring/summer to fulfill AOS commitments. John mentioned that he sometimes judges 22 shows a year.

Not making excuses for a bad plant, but if you have a delay in reply, the above could be the reason. Hope it gets resolved soon.

theloyalplum 05-23-2015 01:02 AM

My project plant comes in tomorrow after 5 days on the road. :( I'm crossing my fingers that they arrive okay and that Ray packed them especially nicely! Anyone have tips on acclimating plants out of a long box trip?

camille1585 05-23-2015 05:19 AM

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Originally Posted by theloyalplum (Post 753301)
My project plant comes in tomorrow after 5 days on the road. :( I'm crossing my fingers that they arrive okay and that Ray packed them especially nicely! Anyone have tips on acclimating plants out of a long box trip?

Don't worry plants do just fine after so much time in a box,unless they were packed really wet. For us in Europe it's frequent to have to wait 4-8 days for the package to the arrive when ordering from different EU countries and the plants never seem affected.

theloyalplum 05-23-2015 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by camille1585 (Post 753303)
Don't worry plants do just fine after so much time in a box,unless they were packed really wet. For us in Europe it's frequent to have to wait 4-8 days for the package to the arrive when ordering from different EU countries and the plants never seem affected.

Thanks for the encouragement. Just opened the package! It's a tiny little thing. I'm sure his/her traveling companions had a nice lil' poker game going so they didn't get too bored. :)

Project Plant:
http://i.imgur.com/MrglUyC.jpg
Christensonia vietnamica:
http://i.imgur.com/fXXGh5o.jpg
Renanthera citrina
http://i.imgur.com/LlmIxYC.jpg

Skycat 05-23-2015 11:54 PM

Okay, I'm getting too annoyed with trying to maintain this thing in a pot. Forgot to water and some roots ended up dead, and now I've got mold. I'm gonna mount it as soon as I get a chance (which I know means watering more often, but it also means a lot less worry about overwatering). I've got a crepe myrtle outside, so free mounts.

(Or maybe I'll just buy a mount; that way I don't have to wade through a sea of bird poop just to find a stick on the ground, lol)

AussieVanda 05-24-2015 06:20 PM

Here's a link of interest for the project. Apologies if already posted.

Amesiella monticola

judith_arquette 05-24-2015 06:38 PM

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Pretty sure the spike is done for but the rest of the plant seems to be doing alright

801229001 05-24-2015 11:56 PM

Sadly i didnt find monticola at the show,
on the bright side though, i got the dendrobium, and will be participating in that project

No-Pro-mwa 05-25-2015 02:15 PM

Well I finally ordered mine. J&L was out by the time I got around to it so I ordered from First Rays. Life got in the way for a bit. Any way of course I had to get some TC and there was nothing else on my wish list so guess what, my wish list is not shorter and my orchid numbers are still growing.

So coming along for the ride:

Amesiella monticola....of course.
Dendribium laevifolium
Ascofinetia cherry Blossom (Neo falata x Ascocentrum ampullaceum)
Aeridovanda (Neo falcata x Aerides odorata)

So my first Den, well I guess I have killed a couple so very long ago, so my first in a long, long time. Also I have never had any of these others or any of the ones they are crossed with. They I guess will be my other project plants. I am getting way to many new orchids lately. Bad, bad Shannon.

So they are being shipped out tomorrow and I will put up a picture when they arrive.

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Originally Posted by judith_arquette (Post 753578)
Pretty sure the spike is done for but the rest of the plant seems to be doing alright

To bad about it but glad the plant is doing well.

My Green Pets 05-25-2015 08:57 PM

Shannon, did you get the 33% memorial day weekend discount? It makes a nice little difference in your order!

Skycat 05-25-2015 09:42 PM

Here is mine on its new mount

http://i.imgur.com/ZhmgBOP.jpg

I hope it likes it!

My Green Pets 05-25-2015 10:05 PM

The piece of crepe myrtle looks ok for size, but is it a very hard, long-lasting wood? Are there any ruts, nooks, or crannies for the roots to work themselves in and around, or is it smooth?

Also, are the roots in direct contact with the mount with sphagnum over top, or is there a layer of sphagnum between the roots and the mount?

No-Pro-mwa 05-26-2015 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by CambriaWhat (Post 753831)
Shannon, did you get the 33% memorial day weekend discount? It makes a nice little difference in your order!

Indeed I did, and yes it makes a big difference. In fact it more than paid for the shipping. So happy I got in on a sale.

Skycat it looks good. I'm hoping to be able to keep mine in the pot it comes in. Ray said they should be Ok for a year so here's to hoping.

Leafmite 05-26-2015 01:41 PM

The mount looks really professional! I get a bunch of mounted orchids from Andy's and it looks as if it had come from them. Good job!

shadytrake 05-26-2015 10:58 PM

I spread slug/snail bait on all of my mounts today. Caught and killed 2 slugs and several snails already. Nothing on my project plants. Good news!

gngrhill 05-27-2015 12:04 AM

My little one has a tiny new leaf forming. I'm happy to see it doing something. I really don't know what kind of care it prefers, but it seems to be holding it's own. I have it under the t-5s, in a warm place, and I water it daily. It is in a web pot with fairly chunky bark, so it dries out pretty fast.

camille1585 05-27-2015 02:55 AM

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Originally Posted by gngrhill (Post 754048)
My little one has a tiny new leaf forming. I'm happy to see it doing something. I really don't know what kind of care it prefers, but it seems to be holding it's own. I have it under the t-5s, in a warm place, and I water it daily. It is in a web pot with fairly chunky bark, so it dries out pretty fast.

Check out one of my posts on page 10 of this thread. I posted the cultural requirements out of Orchidwiz. But your plant sounds happy if it's growing a leaf!

Skycat 05-27-2015 03:39 AM

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Originally Posted by camille1585 (Post 754066)
Check out one of my posts on page 10 of this thread. I posted the cultural requirements out of Orchidwiz. But your plant sounds happy if it's growing a leaf!

I just looked at the post, and DANG that's a lot of humidity. Right now the humidity in my house is hovering around 70%, which is already enough to mess with the wood of my bedroom door and make it not be able to close properly, and that's not a good thing.

camille1585 05-27-2015 03:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Skycat (Post 754068)
I just looked at the post, and DANG that's a lot of humidity. Right now the humidity in my house is hovering around 70%, which is already enough to mess with the wood of my bedroom door and make it not be able to close properly, and that's not a good thing.

Keep in mind that the information is based on condition in the wild, and many times plants can be grown within a certain range of values and still be fine. From what I read elsewhere, the high humidity is especially necessary when blooming. My plant is also growing at about 60-70%, and seems fine for now. When (if) it spikes, I'll rig a system to place it in a vase with water+hydroton to increase the humidity if I see that the ambient conditions aren't good enough.

No-Pro-mwa 05-27-2015 11:08 AM

Yea not good. Even though I do have a swamp cooler in the summer I know my conditions are never 70 %. I will have to figure something out as well.

camille1585 05-27-2015 11:20 AM

I think we need to hear about cultural requirements from people who actually grow the plant. At least we'd know what's really necessary or not! I'll try to dig up some old threads on it, if there are any.

RandomGemini 05-27-2015 01:56 PM

If it needs humidity that high, it will have to go into my terrarium.

No-Pro-mwa 05-27-2015 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by RandomGemini (Post 754128)
If it needs humidity that high, it will have to go into my terrarium.

I've got a giant Brandy snifter that I have been thinking of putting some orchids in. Perhaps that might work. All my there ones I have ordered probably want the humidity also. I sure do hope not.

Mandy2705 05-27-2015 04:04 PM

Did anyone buy their amesiella monticola off eBay? I'm in the clear to buy another orchid ( I needed to slow down on the spending this year ) I found some for great prices. The sellers are : springwaterorchids and orchids4u2006. Does anyone have any past experience with them? They have excellent ratings and I was just curious if anyone bought from them before.

Leafmite 05-27-2015 05:33 PM

I have been doing some reading about how to grow these. Some successfully grow them with vase culture and others in terrariums. For the summer, I think my little orchid will be fine outside (shade, breeze) but, this fall, I think I will stick it in the glass jar as I have done with one of the Haraella rectrocalla. Looks like a trip to a thrift shop will be in order....

It looks to be a cooler grower due to the altitude where it is found in the 'wild' but people seem to have had success in warmer temperatures as long as they are in shade and there is good airflow. I have mine against the aluminum siding in shade so hopefully, that will help.

theloyalplum 05-28-2015 12:53 AM

I'm rethinking my potting situation. It's currently in pure sphag, but I'm worried it won't dry out fast enough, as was the case for many before it. Any suggestions? I have charcoal, sphag, fine/medium bark and LECA. As for pots I have a 2.5 inch net pot I use for my tolumnia and leptotes bicolor. I may just be overreacting, but I don't wanna take a chance with this baby. :(

hiimisis 05-29-2015 04:11 AM

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I've moved my mounted plant into a vase/terrarium type culture to increase the humidity, and it seems to be enjoying it. I just noticed a new root has started! I attached some pictures of my setup. I got the square vase from a thrift store, and I put some aquarium gravel at the bottom with some water (like a humidity tray). You can't see it well in the pictures, but I have the mount propped up on tiny clay pot so the end of the mount doesn't go into the water. This also keeps the plant above the rim of the vase so it gets some air flow.

The humidity in the vase stays 10-20% higher than in the open air. I spray the whole mount twice day. In the picture I had just sprayed it, and 70% humidity is about the max I can reach.

This setup has been working really well so I've moved my two other mounted orchids to similar vases (Laelia pumila and Sedirea japonica).

Anyway, I think this set up looks nice and seems to be working, so I thought it share for the other windowsill growers :)

My Green Pets 05-29-2015 12:45 PM

I got mine yesterday from first rays. Looks like a mini Phal, doesn't it?

Potted in sphagnum, placed outside under 85% shade cloth. Outside humidity is between 70 and 90% most days. Will just let it grow and see how it does this summer.

shadytrake 05-30-2015 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Mandy2705 (Post 754141)
Did anyone buy their amesiella monticola off eBay? I'm in the clear to buy another orchid ( I needed to slow down on the spending this year ) I found some for great prices. The sellers are : springwaterorchids and orchids4u2006. Does anyone have any past experience with them? They have excellent ratings and I was just curious if anyone bought from them before.

I can vouch for Springwater Orchids. I get his email list and have bought many plants from him. We got our flask project plants from him too. Excellent plants and well packed. Thanh is an award winning grower and super nice guy. If you google his name and Springwater, there are many results of his speaking engagements.

If you want to email him directly, here is his email address

Thanh Nguyen <thanhnguyen79@earthlink.net>

Mandy2705 05-30-2015 09:49 AM

Amesiella monticola (project 16 [main] - spring 2015)
 
Shadytrake, thank you very much. I will order on Tuesday and it will have to be from orchids4u2006. The listing is gone for the amesiella monticola from springwaterorchids. I will probably look to springwaterorchids for future eBay purchases due to your recommendation :)

shadytrake 05-30-2015 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by theloyalplum (Post 754211)
I'm rethinking my potting situation. It's currently in pure sphag, but I'm worried it won't dry out fast enough, as was the case for many before it. Any suggestions? I have charcoal, sphag, fine/medium bark and LECA. As for pots I have a 2.5 inch net pot I use for my tolumnia and leptotes bicolor. I may just be overreacting, but I don't wanna take a chance with this baby. :(

I have been growing this one for a year. I keep it on my wet wall east side LOWER part to reduce heat, which has about 80% humidity on average. I would consider it open shade as it only gets filtered sunlight in the morning and some residual side lighting from T5 bulbs mounted in the greenhouse.

Both my old plant and the new plant are potted in net pots with small bark chips with charcoal and sponge rock with a layer of sphag at the top.

At this very moment, the temp in the GH is 77 and 93% humidity because we have a storm rolling in.

I am going to take some light meter readings today because I think it could use a bit more light.

It is useful to know that my GH does hit 90ºF occasionally during the summer but at the most for 30 minutes as I have an alarm sensor that texts my iPhone so I can spray the floor or turn on the mister.

These do not like to dry out as the root tips will shrivel and stop growing. I find that a loose layer of moss works best. I only use indirect air movement and exhaust fans. I find that the plants do not like the fans to be directly blowing on them for extended periods. Therefore, any fans blowing on plants are oscillating at low speeds.

I have a new leaf growing on my old plant (where a slug had eaten it last year) so that is great news. My new plant looks to have two new roots growing.

LovePhals 05-30-2015 10:19 AM

I too, find that this plant likes to be pretty damp at all times so far. If I don't give it water for a few days it starts to shrivel. I have it in medium light, currently under LED lights, good air flow, and about 55% humidity. I have new roots continuing to grow so far.

shadytrake 05-30-2015 10:47 AM

It is interesting to note that the region where this orchid was discovered is extremely endangered due to farming development for rice terraces.

I lived in the Philippines for almost a year and this orchid is found in the Luzon province north of Manila in the Cordillera Central and the Luzon Highlands. Luzon has 62 species of Dendrobium and 24 are endemic to the island so this indicates that Similar culture can apply to Amesiella monticola as Dendrobium victoria-reginae and sanderae (endemic to this region).

According to Wood, 2006, "in cloud forest above 1600 m. At Baguio, Luzon,.. rainfall is 4.7 m (176 in.) during the season; humidity more than 85%. Temperature ranges from below 17-23ºC (59-73ºF). Shady, never hot or dry" (The Dendrobiums, p. 715)

Clarity: I don't think it has to be quite as cool as victoria-reginae, because part of the mountain range is tropical rainforest albeit higher altitude. The good news is that it can take some cooler temps in the fall and winter.

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As FYI, I have ordered some Kool Logs and plan on moving mine to one as I think this will allow me to move it to get more sun while maintaining the temperatures.


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